Every time you hear an argument towards violence to end a conflict or war, think of this.

11/7/2009 2:37:09 PM

oh yeah, come over here and say that!

11/7/2009 2:39:06 PM

when the talkin' is over
it's time to get a gun

11/7/2009 2:39:55 PM

It sounds like nonsense

but, when you meditate on it and take the long view, both towards the past and the future

you can see how correct it really is

11/7/2009 2:41:24 PM

if you changed 'last' to 'first' maybe

11/7/2009 2:42:28 PM

^now that makes perfect sense to me

11/7/2009 2:43:39 PM

.. and the first refuge of the winner

11/7/2009 2:45:58 PM

and who are the losers?

the Germans?

the Japanese?

the Iraqis, Afgans, Muslim extremists?

there are no winners and losers only participants

how long will we be "winners" a hundred years... a thousand, what then?

11/7/2009 2:48:59 PM

you're high right now aren't you

11/7/2009 2:51:35 PM

close, depressed

11/7/2009 2:53:52 PM

this thread really makes me wanna lay a smack down on someone.

11/7/2009 3:13:53 PM

good thing your impact is so low

11/7/2009 4:47:32 PM

whining about violence and running from confrontation are the only refuge of the weak.

11/7/2009 4:50:45 PM

who said anything about whining

and running from confrontation is certainly farthest from the idea

you just don't get it

read up on Gandhi's idea of passive resistance

and you'll understand how hardcore that philosophy really is

11/7/2009 5:50:08 PM

Wolves - People who have the capacity to use violence to cause harm or get what they want.

Sheep - People who have no capacity to use violence at all and are critical of people who use violence for good or bad

Sheep dogs - People who have the capacity to use violence to protect the sheep. They may be criticized by the sheep and grouped with the wolves at times. At the end of the day though, they are the ones keeping the sheep alive.


I like to consider myself a sheep dog. I hate violence and hope for peace, but have no moral dilemma by dropping some guy graveyard dead who is attacking my family.

11/7/2009 6:13:11 PM

but you're really a sheep

11/7/2009 6:17:51 PM

Sure. But I'm not incompetent.

11/7/2009 6:28:56 PM

sure, why not?

11/7/2009 6:29:47 PM

well, I was gonna sarcastically remark that I guess Great Britain was incompetent to use violence to fight Hitler

but in fact, it was precisely because of their incompetence that they were obliged to use violence

they should've stopped him without violence, long before

11/7/2009 6:32:54 PM

something tells me that logic and reason wouldn't have worked with hitler

[Edited on November 7, 2009 at 6:34 PM. Reason : what law says that every internet conversation goes back to nazis?]

11/7/2009 6:33:59 PM

no, but a bunch of soldiers on his border, ready to march upon a war which he was not at all prepared to fight, would likely have done so

in the early days, he could have been stopped and crushed by the mere threat of violence

11/7/2009 6:35:11 PM

although this quote is really not about passive resistance

Ghandi does address World War 2 quite effectively

it's just really radical thinking

...

and World War 2 is a perpetuation of the violence of and humiliation after World War 1

11/7/2009 6:35:49 PM

threatening violence is more noble than acting violently

11/7/2009 6:36:42 PM

true

but threatening violence is probably only slightly less worse than using it

11/7/2009 6:37:40 PM

so how many empty threats do you have to make before you're never taken seriously?

is carrying out your threat of violence necessary at some point?

11/7/2009 6:41:28 PM

Quote :

" but threatening violence is probably only slightly less worse than using it"

11/7/2009 6:42:27 PM

that doesn't really answer the question, broski

11/7/2009 6:44:48 PM

yeah it does

it's not really a better solution

mainly because of what you're implying

11/7/2009 6:45:58 PM

oic

11/7/2009 6:46:17 PM

does this mean i need to stop punching toolbags in the face, or at least apologize afterwards and maybe provide them with a 20% off baskin robbins coupon?

11/7/2009 6:49:38 PM

keep swingin', bigman

keep swingin'

11/7/2009 6:52:16 PM

SORRY BOUT YOUR TEETH, I RECOMMEND THE BANANA FUDGE RIPPLE

11/7/2009 6:54:01 PM

but beating someone's ass just feels good

11/7/2009 8:03:05 PM

11/7/2009 8:26:22 PM

Quote :

"read up on Gandhi's idea of passive resistance and you'll understand how hardcore that philosophy really is "

In 100 years, Gandhi's ideas will be remembered as a failed experiment. Meanwhile, we're still using Sun Tzu's writings on the art of war 2600 years after their inception. the only people who chastise violence in all forms are the ones who are incapable of being victorious.

11/7/2009 8:43:13 PM

what experiment? who does these things?

get off your soapbox, no one is debating you here

remember, it's because of the "other solution" that we are all here

that we are all still alive

11/7/2009 8:46:00 PM