I have a conflict at work, one of our engineers doesn't believe in dinosaurs, which is ok, he might be highly religious. But he also doesn't believe we landed on the moon. this is unacceptable, and I need peer reviewed, easy to understand evidence of both. Help me out TWW!!

or should I just ignore it and not try to start anything. I hold intellectual integrity above most other things, so this really bugs me.

[Edited on December 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM. Reason : shit, messed up the title ]

12/22/2009 10:51:10 PM

i think dinosaurs are more plausible than the moon landing

so i'd start with those

how can you say it is ok that he doesn't believe in dinosaurs on account of religion? that is just stupid.

12/22/2009 10:52:02 PM

it doesn't really matter. him being an idiot isn't worth starting shit over.

12/22/2009 10:52:05 PM

why do you give a shit?

12/22/2009 10:52:08 PM

so you're obviously a train engineer, right?

12/22/2009 10:52:22 PM

Pictures of apollo mission hardware/other stuff taken by the recently launched Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

If he doesn’t believe we’ve sent stuff to space, this would be an issue.

Also, what kind of engineer is this anyway?

And what does he think of dinosaur bones?

[Edited on December 22, 2009 at 10:55 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2009 10:54:59 PM

i give a shit because he said this stuff out loud. He is in a position of power, and I believe that anyone in any kind of influential position should be held to higher standards of scrutiny when it comes to 'facts' they espouse.

12/22/2009 10:55:01 PM

if it's not related to your job, it's really not worth it. do you have a specific need to piss off a superior, just to make a point?

12/22/2009 10:56:03 PM

he's not a superior, and my intention is not to piss him off. I want to inform him, or at the very least, allow him to question his beliefs

12/22/2009 10:57:50 PM

http://www.apolloarchive.com/

Hundreds of thousands of photographs, videos, and audio recordings of every Apollo mission.

It's also worth noting that the Apollo program employed 400000 people including the many private contractors that designed various equipment. Many are now dead, most are retired...lots of the engineers ended up having to get divorces from the deadline pressures. Anyway, these are 400000 very real people that worked extremely hard on their particular widget...hardly a mere film crew in a soundstage.

But if he doesn't believe all that...well who gives a shit?

12/22/2009 10:58:34 PM

if he doesn't believe in dinosaurs, he doesn't deserve to live

12/22/2009 10:58:59 PM

sounds like this mother fucker needs to watch all 3 jarassic parks

12/22/2009 11:01:14 PM

http://lasers.jpl.nasa.gov/PAPERS/OTHER/131d.pdf

A paper on determining the moon’s distance using the retroreflectors that were dropped there during the mission.

And realistically, if he’s gone this long as an engineer and still doesn’t believe the moon landing or dinosaurs, lack of information is not his problem, being an idiot is. It’s likely whatever dumb ideology that is driving his delusions will just cause him to come up with some other excuse for why those things aren’t real. Your best avenue to change his mind is to attack the ideology.

12/22/2009 11:01:14 PM

you are seriously going to waste your time with someone so idiotic?

12/22/2009 11:02:12 PM

Quote :

"1ST WORLD PROBLEMS"

12/22/2009 11:03:52 PM

how is this guy an engineer. what the fuck

12/22/2009 11:04:29 PM

thanks moron, that's the kind of thing I was looking for.

12/22/2009 11:05:02 PM

^^ maybe he’s like a civil or industrial engineer.

They can believe wonky things inconsequentially.

[Edited on December 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2009 11:05:12 PM

The man lives in a 1st world country in the 21st century. He is surrounded by evidence for both of these things. No doubt he has "evidence" backing up what he believes. Nothing you say is going to convince him. You are wasting your time and jeopardizing your work situation. Or you're being trolled in real life. Also possible.

12/22/2009 11:06:12 PM

^truth

12/22/2009 11:08:12 PM

[user]grumpy[/user] Whats up, are you going back to school?

His balls would have to be tractor tires to troll like that in the work place in front of peers. maybe hes just the most confident man in the world.

12/22/2009 11:08:54 PM

Bird's eye view: because modern dinosaurs are flying all around us, examining them closely can offer new insights into the lives of their fossilized ancestors:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1134/is_4_114/ai_n13760439

12/22/2009 11:09:48 PM

don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

12/22/2009 11:10:11 PM

Quote :

"The article you requested could not be loaded. Either the content has been removed or the request is invalid."

LIES

12/22/2009 11:10:34 PM

these people don't believe in dinosaurs bc they don't believe the earth is old enough to have housed dinosaurs. All because of religion, kitty Kat. rawr!

12/22/2009 11:12:37 PM

white people

12/22/2009 11:13:38 PM

Motherfucker I started back to school in May.

And I also doubt he's trolling, but frankly I think that's more likely than you convincing him that the weird-ass beliefs he's spent years defending are wrong.

12/22/2009 11:14:40 PM

I'm not sure if I believe in dinosaurs, myself...i.e. I'm not sure if I believe there was ever a time when dinosaurs walked the earth in the same way that human beings do now

reason for this is I'm not sure if I believe the world has ever existed outside of human consciousness

just throwing this out there

the moon landing, however, is a different matter

12/22/2009 11:15:23 PM

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

12/22/2009 11:16:05 PM

^^lol wut?

12/22/2009 11:17:10 PM

are YOU still in school [user]jeffery[/user]? I think took algebraic topology with you. Man, this thread is a reunion tour.

[user]grumps[/user], at NCSTATE? They let you back there?

[Edited on December 22, 2009 at 11:18 PM. Reason : dammn user tags]

12/22/2009 11:18:36 PM

For the user tag to work you have to type the user's actual name. But yeah, back at NCSU. It was the best choice to go back to the same place I did my undergrad the only place whose deadline hadn't expired by the time I wanted to apply.

12/22/2009 11:20:17 PM

^^^^^
no, just very open-minded with regard to metaphysical shit

^^^
yeah...still studying math, but at a different program...I remember that class, there was that high schooler who got like 85th in the country on the Putnam....I think he's at Berkeley now.

12/22/2009 11:21:07 PM

^^ most people just fake it with [link] tags, and I think you have to be premie to use the user tags

12/22/2009 11:23:40 PM

moron, you don't have to be premie

12/22/2009 11:24:16 PM

^ haha, yeah, that was Irena Kogans son. I think i got maybe 11 points in that putnam


moron, moron

[Edited on December 22, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason : testing tags]

12/22/2009 11:24:39 PM

You don't have to be premie to use user tags...

12/22/2009 11:25:56 PM

Quote :

"You don't have to be premie to use user tags... "

I don’t believe you.

I demand peer-reviewed proof to scrutinize, that says otherwise.

12/22/2009 11:26:52 PM

alright guys ,thanks for the help. My frustration has subsided, I'm going to it's watch always sunny in Philadelphia. peace out.

12/22/2009 11:28:09 PM

I'm amazed that you have a TV.

12/22/2009 11:34:11 PM

^ I don't. Hulu.

12/22/2009 11:45:06 PM

Why don't you buy him some coffee in exchange for him teaching you why dinosaurs and moon landings are lies?

12/22/2009 11:48:12 PM

If he's skeptical enough about the world to not believe in the moon landing then he's not going to believe anything you can show him. People like this think that scientists designed all these dinosaurs and fabricated the fake fossils just to try to harm religion, they will easily think any video or photo evidence of the Apollo missions is fake as well.

12/22/2009 11:49:15 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing

12/22/2009 11:50:09 PM

you mean "Pics or it didn't happen" does not apply here?

OMG MY WORLD IS CRUMBLING

12/22/2009 11:51:17 PM

I swear to FSM

you don't want a Citation

12/23/2009 12:00:06 AM

Quote :

"If he's skeptical enough about the world to not believe in the moon landing then he's not going to believe anything you can show him. People like this think that scientists designed all these dinosaurs and fabricated the fake fossils just to try to harm religion, they will easily think any video or photo evidence of the Apollo missions is fake as well. "

this would be my concern

for this kind of person, they would interpret your attempts at “educating” them as an offensive maneuver, and only become galvanized in their beliefs.

12/23/2009 12:04:13 AM

A WISE MAN ONCE TOLD ME NEVER ARGUE WITH FOOLS
CUZ PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE CANT TELL WHO IS WHO

12/23/2009 12:07:35 AM

Quote :

"for this kind of person, they would interpret your attempts at “educating” them as an offensive maneuver, and only become galvanized in their beliefs."

And some people just take on views to be controversial or gain notoriety or acceptance.

A good shaming by their peers could snap him out of it. Even horses don't like to be ostracized.

12/23/2009 12:28:36 AM

is he a scientologist?

12/23/2009 12:30:52 AM