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BlackDog
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Not ever want to put a needle of anything into my arm and I saw this movie when it first came out (I was 14). That movie scared the shit out of me and I never touched anything worse than hallucinogens because of that movie.

Did this movie have similar effects on anyone else?

(I got it for $7 on Blu-Ray )

Hubert Shelby Jr. is a drug addict genius though.

Last Exit To Brooklyn is as equally fucked up.





[Edited on January 9, 2010 at 9:38 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2010 9:38:00 PM

Bweez
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Nope

1/9/2010 9:38:34 PM

arcgreek
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You were 14 when it came out?

I feel old now.

1/9/2010 9:39:50 PM

BlackDog
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yep 14, I had only just got laid and I wasn't ready for that movie.

1/9/2010 9:41:01 PM

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1/9/2010 9:55:46 PM

Solinari
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that scene alone made me want to be in the company of drug using women

1/9/2010 9:56:46 PM

bottombaby
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That movie just made me fucking cry. A lot.

1/9/2010 9:57:34 PM

Solinari
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thats because you were a drug using woman

hey... wait a sec. wanna hang out?

1/9/2010 9:58:27 PM

bottombaby
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WERE being the operative word.

1/9/2010 9:59:14 PM

Solinari
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WE ARE

1/9/2010 9:59:43 PM

BlackDog
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OH SHIT

1/10/2010 10:41:40 AM

quagmire02
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BlackDog, i'm so glad you're back! this place was so...inane...without you! i don't know what i did before you were here to provide us with your keen and unique insight into those things that hardly anyone has ever pondered before!

1/10/2010 10:44:07 AM

BlackDog
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you're welcome, glad you all missed me why I was on my chronic pain drug binge.

1/10/2010 10:45:51 AM

quagmire02
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right right

1/10/2010 10:47:39 AM

blasphemour
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movie makes me want to jerk it.


Sexy Jennifer Connelly Sex Scene - Click here for the funniest movie of the week

1/10/2010 1:26:37 PM

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great movie, but it went right over the heads of a lot of people that watched it, including the OP. The mom got just as fucked up without needles as the son did, and the director went to great lengths to never mention what drug they were using. It could have been hallucinogens they were using for all you know.

1/10/2010 2:49:34 PM

Madman
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it was definitely heroin and I haven't even seen the movie

1/10/2010 2:51:29 PM

eleusis
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I can give you a dozen reasons why it was NOT heroin. the book was about heroin; the movie was ambiguous with the drug use.

If I had to pick a drug of choice for the movie, it would have been methamphetamine. That would distract from the focal point of the movie though.

1/10/2010 2:52:43 PM

Solinari
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i'm sure that hallucinogens will cause you to become so addicted that you'll do ass to ass in front of a bunch of yelling guys just for another hit

sounds more like heroin or crack to me, but you're the drug expert. this stuff is way over my head

1/10/2010 2:53:03 PM

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1/10/2010 2:53:43 PM

eleusis
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"i'm sure that hallucinogens will cause you to become so addicted that you'll do ass to ass in front of a bunch of yelling guys just for another hit
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possibly. I've met some whores that loved MDMA enough to do damn near anything for it.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 2:56 PM. Reason : spelling]

1/10/2010 2:55:33 PM

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"(I got it for $7 on Blu-Ray )"


ahahah me too you must be a Slickdealer

i watched Requiem and Spun within 24hrs of each other (at Christmas no less). i think Requiem is a very good movie but i'm really not sure i'll ever watch it again.

1/10/2010 2:55:35 PM

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MDMA makes you see some shit, but it's not the main reason people do it.

1/10/2010 3:00:00 PM

BlackDog
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"great movie, but it went right over the heads of a lot of people that watched it, including the OP. The mom got just as fucked up without needles as the son did, and the director went to great lengths to never mention what drug they were using. It could have been hallucinogens they were using for all you know."


Um, just because I don't mention the mother taking amphetamines/Valium (which they show on the script pad, Mr. they go to great lengths not to tell us) means I don't understand the movie? Fucking blow me dick strap; the mother was far more crazy than the other characters. I didn't realize you wanted a synopsis of the movie.

1/10/2010 3:01:24 PM

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"Requiem for a Dream is not about heroin or about drugs… The Harry-Tyrone-Marion story is a very traditional heroin story. But putting it side by side with the Sara story, we suddenly say, 'Oh, my God, what is a drug?' The idea that the same inner monologue goes through a person's head when they're trying to quit drugs, as with cigarettes, as when they're trying to not eat food so they can lose 20 pounds, was really fascinating to me. I thought it was an idea that we hadn't seen on film and I wanted to bring it up on the screen."

1/10/2010 3:05:56 PM

eleusis
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ok, reasons they weren't doing heroin:

Heroin constricts your pupils. The pupils of the characters dialated when they got high, which would indicate amphetamines or something else.

The mother was prescribed uppers to lose weight. The son indicated that he knew intimately about the dangers of using uppers. Crank and doctor prescribed amphetamines are extremely similar.

The characters are not shown nodding off at any point in the movie, with the exception of when they run out of drugs.

Necrotic tissue at the site of an injection is more common with methamphetamine use than heroin use. This would better explain the cyst in the white kid's elbow.

Darren Aronofsky, the director of the movie, is a large supporter of the Montana Meth Project and writes almost all of their anti-drug advertisements.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:08 PM. Reason : ^you fucking dumbass, I stated previously that the director rewrote the story.]

1/10/2010 3:07:44 PM

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1/10/2010 3:08:51 PM

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"Requiem for a Dream is not about heroin or about drugs… The Harry-Tyrone-Marion story is a very traditional heroin story. But putting it side by side with the Sara story, we suddenly say, 'Oh, my God, what is a drug?' The idea that the same inner monologue goes through a person's head when they're trying to quit drugs, as with cigarettes, as when they're trying to not eat food so they can lose 20 pounds, was really fascinating to me. I thought it was an idea that we hadn't seen on film and I wanted to bring it up on the screen."


-Darren Aronofsky, director of the movie

Seriously, stop trying to be a pedantic know it all

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"^you fucking dumbass, I stated previously that the director rewrote the story."


um yeah that was him talking about the MOVIE not the book

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 3:09:23 PM

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There are people in here that I would not want to watch a movie with

1/10/2010 3:12:12 PM

eleusis
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"m, just because I don't mention the mother taking amphetamines/Valium (which they show on the script pad, Mr. they go to great lengths not to tell us)"


the rest of the characters were much more likely taking meth than heroin, which they go to great lengths not to say directly. That went directly over your head apparently.

1/10/2010 3:13:19 PM

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NEW

1/10/2010 3:13:52 PM

Madman
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I'm going to go with fact, that they are taking heroin in the film, than your opinion of "likely".

1/10/2010 3:16:26 PM

Solinari
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heroin/meth/crack... who cares.

The point is eleusis is a dumbass for saying:
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"It could have been hallucinogens they were using for all you know."


In that case, it could have been marijuana too, right? After all, we don't know!

1/10/2010 3:17:36 PM

Madman
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it could be caffeine, for all we know

1/10/2010 3:19:21 PM

Grandmaster
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It's either cocaine or heroin. Not meth.

At one point Marion gives everyone some pills and is like "Want to waste some time?" It's obvious they're not restricted to any one drug of choice, but the money-making scheme they get themselves into is definitely coke or heroin. You don't sit around NYC and wait for some 'pure meth' so you can go home and cut it up to resell. You just fucking get a hotel room and make that shit yourself.

I can't see anyone getting that addicted to cocaine so that's probably why most people assume heroin. Who knows.

1/10/2010 3:23:01 PM

thumper
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"Who knows cares."

1/10/2010 3:26:44 PM

eleusis
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^^the vast majority of the meth in this country is imported from Mexico, not made in small labs.

Madman is using a quote so far out of context that it's laughable. Arronofsky was being interviewed about how his movie had become another heroin chic cult classic like Trainspotting, and he was defending why the movie is not about heroin junkies.

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"Why are so many young, talented filmmakers drawn to drug movies, particularly heroin movies? At this point, heroin movies are almost their own genre.

"Requiem for a Dream" is not about heroin or about drugs. In fact, I was never interested in making a movie about junkies -- I find junkies really boring and uninteresting. What was amazing to me about the novel, and what I tried to do in the movie, was the counterpoint of this Sara Goldfarb story, which completely deconstructed the movie as a drug movie. The Harry-Tyrone-Marion story is a very traditional heroin story. But putting it side by side with the Sara story, we suddenly say, "Oh, my God, what is a drug?"

What Selby is saying is that anything can be a drug -- it doesn't have to be smack. It could be TV, it can be coffee, it can be chocolate, it can be food, it can be hope, it could be love, it could be sex. The idea that the same inner monologue goes through a person's head when they're trying quit drugs as with cigarettes, as when they're trying to not eat food so they can lose 20 pounds, was really fascinating to me. I thought it was an idea that we hadn't seen on film and I wanted to bring it up on the screen.
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he went to lengths to not show heroin as their drug of choice so that people wouldn't be distracted by the drug use and focus more on the characters trying to obtain unobtainable dreams and falling into a delusional reality. Drug use was shown as being a coping mechanism, not the root problem each character had.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 3:28:24 PM

IMStoned420
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Maybe it's some mystical fictitious drug that incorporates certain characteristics of many drugs to reach out to multiple viewers...

1/10/2010 3:29:53 PM

eleusis
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^That was the point he was trying to make. Incorporate them "wasting time" on club drugs, getting addicted to something hard like cocaine, meth, or heroin, and showing the mother on doctor prescribed prescription drugs. It doesn't matter what drug it is when you're using it to cover up an underlying problem or fill some unobtainable void.

1/10/2010 3:33:26 PM

Madman
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a movie may not be about heroin junkies but that doesn't hide the fact that they were using heroin. even if the film is about drug dependency and not about the drug it doesn't change the fact that they were using heroin

1/10/2010 3:39:05 PM

IMStoned420
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Actually, you're wrong.

1/10/2010 3:40:56 PM

Madman
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you're stoned!

1/10/2010 3:41:42 PM

thumper
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1/10/2010 3:42:23 PM

eleusis
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"a movie may not be about heroin junkies but that doesn't hide the fact that they were using heroin. even if the film is about drug dependency and not about the drug it doesn't change the fact that they were using heroin"


you're wrong, and they're not using heroin for the reasons I listed above. If you can't understand that, then this movie went right over your head. Deal with it.

1/10/2010 3:48:03 PM

Madman
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dude, I haven't even seen the movie. get over yourself

1/10/2010 3:50:05 PM

Solinari
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As you've stated, there is a deliberate ambiguity regarding the drug that was being used in the film. Therefore when you say that the film is over one's head when they claim with certitude that heroin was used, the same can be said for you when you say with certitude that heroin was not used.

Let's face it - you tried to pull the movie snob card ITT and it went horribly for you.

1/10/2010 4:19:50 PM

Madman
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damn, fucking owned

1/10/2010 4:20:45 PM

eleusis
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LOL. you two faggots got put in your place for not understanding a movie, and now you want to say some dumb shit to try to alleviate the assraping you just received in this thread.

1/10/2010 4:28:38 PM

Madman
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maybe if you use even more syllables you can teach a wake tech class in film study

1/10/2010 4:29:21 PM

eleusis
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Trying to provide insight on a movie you've never even seen by quoting broken clips from wikipedia would cause you to fail out of even a Wake Tech film class.

maybe if you'd actually watch the movie, you could comment on it.

1/10/2010 4:31:45 PM

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