http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585070,00.html

Hopefully this man gets off. People should be allowed to discipline their children however they want, and this soldier was trained in safe techniques for extracting information. It isn't torture so he wasn't doing anything wrong.

2/8/2010 12:29:59 PM

k

2/8/2010 12:32:18 PM

no k

i bet she won't refuse to say her abc's now

2/8/2010 12:33:09 PM

did Sean Hannity ever get waterboarded like he said he would?

2/8/2010 12:52:50 PM

I'll give you one guess to that question.

2/8/2010 12:53:50 PM

Yeah. They ran out of water before he cracked.

2/8/2010 12:53:54 PM

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"Hopefully this man gets off."

Why do you think he should get off?

This is child abuse, plain and simple.

2/8/2010 12:59:18 PM

It's not torture

2/8/2010 1:01:24 PM

I don't see where he is being charged with torture, so how that is relevant to this incident?

2/8/2010 1:03:13 PM

Hey I'm happy for you, and imma let you finish talkin about water boarding .....
But Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.




I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

2/8/2010 1:07:17 PM

lol

2/8/2010 1:08:21 PM

I think God is trying to be clever or something...

2/8/2010 1:08:47 PM

2/8/2010 1:08:59 PM

oh, I see, you were using a terrible act of abuse committed on a child as commentary on politics you don't agree with.

How noble.

2/8/2010 1:10:49 PM

Are you saying you don't support our troops?

These colors don't run.

2/8/2010 1:13:12 PM

ive never gotten that, because France has the exact same colors

2/8/2010 1:14:53 PM

^^

it's really sad that you are unable to make a point without resorting to intellectual dishonesty.

2/8/2010 1:16:18 PM

burns.

this thread has them.

2/8/2010 1:18:37 PM

what exactly is waterboarding anyway

putting someone on a see-saw and tipping their head into water?

2/8/2010 5:42:56 PM

^^^ it's really sad that you find this thread sad

2/8/2010 5:46:07 PM

how do you get caught for something like this

dude and gf were both in on it
kid's 4 and not in school yet, unless pre-school

who went to the police

2/8/2010 5:52:54 PM

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"what exactly is waterboarding anyway putting someone on a see-saw and tipping their head into water?"

All the vids I've seen showed people getting water poured on their face; usually with their face covered by a cloth. None of them showed filling a sink with water and plunging a person's face into it.

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"it's really sad that you are unable to make a point without resorting to intellectual dishonesty."

2/8/2010 5:54:18 PM

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"what exactly is waterboarding anyway"

laying someone at a negative angle (head a bit lower than feet) on a board/plank and then pouring water over their face while standing next to them.

those who are for it, or refuse to condemn it, call it "simulated drowning".

there is nothing simulated about it, it is in fact, *drowning*. do it long enough, and your subject will die, as the water does go into the lungs through the nose.

there was a thread about it in TSB a year or so ago, and someone posted a link about CIA agents trying it out on themselves... they fucking lasted just a few seconds, like 5 or so. however, of course they motherfuckers have no problem doing it to others for 30 seconds, even upto a minute.

2/8/2010 6:02:09 PM

holy shit i just read the fox article.

lock this motherfucker away for 10 years.

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""Joshua did not act as though he felt there was anything wrong with this form of punishment," the police report said."

well i guess he picked the perfect job at least... torturing and raping citizens of other countries to show them who is boss

2/8/2010 6:09:09 PM

I agree with you. It's not torture. It's called child abuse. On a side note, I think torture could ethically be the right thing to do in certain extreme cases.

2/8/2010 7:09:21 PM

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"TICKING BOMB SCENARIO"

2/8/2010 8:45:38 PM

Reading that a father could do that to his own child angers me so much...I can't wait for him to get to prison and let all those dads who would do anything to see their children again get ahold of that guy.

2/8/2010 8:55:27 PM

There are a lot of great fathers in prison.


lol.

2/8/2010 10:13:02 PM

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"It's not torture. It's called child abuse."

They are not mutually exclusive.

2/9/2010 11:24:57 AM

I was voluntarily waterboarded. I didn't mind it, really.

2/9/2010 11:26:11 AM