they're not a bad road team anymore

they only lost @ miami over thanksgiving weekend

BUT THAT WAS, LIKE, FOREVER AGO

for. shit. road. team.



[Edited on December 31, 2012 at 12:41 AM. Reason : trollsohard]

12/31/2012 12:37:59 AM

Get your trash talking in now. Your irrational hate of wilson is going to make you really sad in a week

12/31/2012 12:41:28 AM

yeah, i mean who wouldn't feel confident after watching wilson eek one out against the rams at home today

12/31/2012 12:42:23 AM

i dont know if you follow football much, but the Rams were not a horrible team this year.

12/31/2012 12:48:20 AM

They did beat the Redskins.

12/31/2012 12:49:11 AM

Quote :

"yeah, i mean who wouldn't feel confident after watching wilson eek one out against the rams at home today"

As long as you're giving SF no shot at a playoff win either since they managed zero wins against StL this season

12/31/2012 1:28:50 AM

the same thing would go for the skins since the rams beat them..........o wait that means both the seahawks and skins lose and then travel to SF just for all teams to lose again

12/31/2012 1:32:22 AM

is this guy fucking serious?


The redskins are a tune up game for Seattle.

They could easily lose this game by 30 if they aren't careful. This is big boy time. The NFC East is cute. Congrats. I love RGIII, but your team is fatally flawed.

Redskins will get waxed.

12/31/2012 2:22:08 AM

Quote :

"pretty sure wilson is gonna start. The guy is the future face of the franchise. No reason to sit him behind a career backup like Flynn."

face 8/26/2012

Quote :

"I took the "field" at 8:1 odds to win Rookie of the Year $50 to win $400. (RW is part of the field). I have $100 on RGIII at 6:1 and $200 on Luck at 3:1 already. debating on putting more on RW. I think he will be the best of the 3 this year and the Seahawks will win the most games. I could see RGIII winning over him though just because of the major market and all the attention the Skins get."

face 8/27/2012

Quote :

" He's got a great shot at winning Rookie of the Year and if he can stay healthy could become an elite NFL QB. And we cut him. For a guy that played really well against Maryland."

face 8/27/2012

Quote :

"This "who is the best rookie QB?" debate between RGIII, Wilson, and Luck is going to be one of the lead NFL headlines all year."

face 8/27/2012

Quote :

" Oh i see it's fine for you guys to ramble on bashing Wilson but the second someone presents an intelligent opinion you can't take it. Look. The media is going to be all over this. They love a good sweetheart. Russell Wilson is going to be the new darling of the NFL. He's the 3rd round pick that no one has ever heard of who is likely going to be just as good as two of the most heralded rookie QB prospects the NFL has ever seen. The stories at first will be "How did Miami take Tannehill over this guy?" "How did everyone miss on him?" "Who knew a short QB could succeed?"."

face 8/28/2012

Quote :

"Just stop arguing with me. I know what I'm talking about."

face 8/31/2012


Off my nuts world. http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=627396&page=1

12/31/2012 2:45:04 AM

Smart thread maker...

Quote :

"yeah, i mean who wouldn't feel confident after watching wilson eek one out against the rams at home today "

RGIII will not be able to limp for 63 yds rushing against Seattle. He only threw for 100 against DALLAS. Morris IS NOT putting up 200 on the ground against Seattle either. Russell Wilson won't put up flashy numbers (22-27 225 yds 2tds, 35 yd rushing 1td) but will manage the game and move on while RGIII is one and done (may not even play the whole game) and gets crowned ROY b/c of his Heisman trophy, flashy numbers and playing injured to help his Redskins make it to the playoffs while Morris really deserves the credit...

Actually Tony Romo deserves the credit, he pretty much gave Washington the game



[Edited on December 31, 2012 at 4:11 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2012 3:53:26 AM

^such a bitter fellow

12/31/2012 4:27:01 AM

?

12/31/2012 4:29:22 AM

Well as a redskins fan do you not think that Morris should at least get a mention? He is 2nd in the league in rushing yards behind the best running back in the last 25 years.

Actually after looking at the stats, aside from rushing stats, Andrew Luck pretty much owns both Russell and RG3 in most categories. 3rd in passing TDs, 10th in completions, 7th in passing yds. It's gonna be hard to vote against that. Plus Indy's a feel good story b/c of Pagano, as it should be. The argument about how Luck turned Indy around is BS tho as Indy tanked it last year to get him. Russell has the total TD category, RG3 owns rushing qb stats.

Luck threw a bunch of INTs and Bob Griffin the 3rd couldn't manage to make it through a full rookie season while cold, off the bench rookie came in and won twice (carried Wash to OT, won and then won the next)

At this point I'd say Advantage:Luck

12/31/2012 4:59:09 AM

hell yeah i think morris should get a mention, at the very least. 2nd in the league in rushing and coming off of his game last night.

I think you could pick any of RGIII, RW or Luck and be right and wrong at the same time. This has been a special rookie class. Those 3, Doug Martin, Morris...hell, even Tannehill has had his moments and Weeden hasn't been absolutely horrendous. Just look at the 3 QB's...

RGIII - Sets rookie passer rating and rushing yrd record.
RW - sets rookie passing TD record
Luck - sets rookie passing yardage record.


Those three guys have re-written the rookie QB record book, and I don't think you could go wrong with any of them. BTW, my bitter comment was more in regards to the cowboys giving the game away.

12/31/2012 5:42:08 AM

nvm

[Edited on December 31, 2012 at 8:40 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2012 8:37:40 AM

its pretty simple

rg3 is a future cripple who will be lucky to make it through the first half against the seahawks

russell is the best rookie QB right now and for the future.

12/31/2012 8:42:09 AM

12/31/2012 9:22:20 AM

Quote :

"yeah, i mean who wouldn't feel confident after watching wilson eek one out against the rams at home today"

Just wanted to pile on with the general "this guy is a mong" sentiment.

12/31/2012 9:40:18 AM

Pretty amazing that all 3 rookie QBs made the playoffs.

I said a week or so back that whoever won their division would probably win ROY. RGIII won, other 2 were wildcards. Think it has to be RGIII, with the fact he won the division, finished the season on a must-win streak and ESPN loves him. Still think I'd vote him 3rd based on performance for the whole season and various factors, but it's a really tight race and could see any of them winning it.

Luck - "Next Peyton Manning"
RGIII - "Most Exciting QB in the League"
Wilson - "Mr. Underdog"

ESPN is loving this.

12/31/2012 10:32:49 AM

I agree its RG3's to lose, but I don't think winning the division is what puts him over the edge...both the Seahawks and Colts had one more win than the Skins, and arguably played in harder divisions...or at least in divisions with one elite team (49ers, Texans) whereas the NFC East was just 3 very good teams and the Eagles

12/31/2012 10:36:08 AM

Eh, I thought the NFC East was strong, but down the stretch it reminded me of the old NFC West where it was sad any of them had to make the playoffs because all the teams were mediocre.

Dallas was running out of healthy bodies to play down the stretch. Giants were extremely up-and-down, they'd look great one week and pathetically bad the next week, so they average out to average. Redskins were just the healthiest/more consistent of the 3 possible teams. Against playoff teams: Skins: 2-2, Hawks: 4-1, Colts: 3-2.

I agree it SHOULDN'T count a lot for winning the NFC East vs. Wildcard in tougher divisions, but I feel like it'll be a selling point. Peter King broke down his expectations for it today in MMQB, seems like he picked Wilson to be ROY and RGIII was his 2nd choice.

12/31/2012 10:52:22 AM

RG3 is the youngest of the bunch at 22.

I know 22-24 might not seem like that big of a difference, but it might be the deciding factor

12/31/2012 10:53:51 AM

Yeah but RGIII often wears mismatching socks. I know it's important to the NFL for players to follow the rules and conform to dressing restrictions. It could hurt him in the voting.

12/31/2012 10:56:20 AM

don't forget he's also black

so is RW, but RG3 is blacker

also, RG3 won the Heisman

12/31/2012 11:06:15 AM

we really need another thread for face and TT10 to fight about who should be ROY. Hell, throw in some MVP discussion, too

12/31/2012 12:57:46 PM

I think the biggest joke is Alfred Morris not making the Pro Bowl.

400 more yards than Gore and 5 more TDs

12/31/2012 1:13:30 PM

how about Kuechly not even being an alternate

he only led the NFL in tackles

12/31/2012 1:21:25 PM

There's really no argument for anyone but RG3 and Russell Wilson

12/31/2012 3:18:16 PM

Quote :

"I think the biggest joke is Alfred Morris not making the Pro Bowl."

bigger jokes:

Logan Mankins: didn't play like half the season, and was AWFUL for about half the games he did play.

LaRon Landry, Eric Berry: seriously? these guys aren't good safeties.

Jeff Saturday: THIS GUY GOT BENCHED BY THE PACKERS

12/31/2012 3:59:44 PM

Quote :

"The redskins are a tune up game for Seattle. They could easily lose this game by 30 if they aren't careful. This is big boy time. The NFC East is cute. Congrats. I love RGIII, but your team is fatally flawed. Redskins will get waxed."

Is the AFC North a cupcake division too? The Redskins beat the Ravens, who won their division.

I'm for RW for ROY. He's going to set a rookie passing TD record in an offense which is extremely run heavy and they're on an unbelievable winning streak.

12/31/2012 4:23:26 PM

Eric Berry is a great safety

12/31/2012 5:13:40 PM

the Chiefs had 5 players make the Pro Bowl...granted one of them was their punter, but Jamaal Charles was obviously deserving, Berry is indeed a great safety, I kind of question Derrick Johnson's old ass making it, but the Chiefs did have a good defense this year, and Tamba Hali who is also a baller

if you wanna look at shitty coaching, look at how Crennel did this year

12/31/2012 5:15:50 PM

Berry played like absolute ass the first half of the year.

Also I wouldn't call him a great safety because his coverage skills are laughable. There were plenty of safeties in the afc better than him this year.

12/31/2012 5:34:51 PM

what all better strong safeties? polamalu, who missed half the season?

12/31/2012 5:40:12 PM

http://fantasydouche.com/2012/12/the-nfls-most-valuable-player-is-russell-wilson/

1/2/2013 3:40:29 PM

from that^ link http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?year=2012&pos=QB&season=all

a bottom tier QB produced the 4th most wins in the nfl this year?

1/2/2013 4:29:07 PM

By stats, Luck seems most similar to Matt Stafford.

Wilson and Griffin seem most similar to each other, except Griffin focuses more on short yard completions and Wilson likes the deep ball (18 vs 23% of throws), which probably stems from the power running game Lynch opens up

1/2/2013 5:36:23 PM

^ It stems from the offense. Have you watched a Redskins game this year? Their primary target is the short yardage receiver the majority of the time. The Seahawks look to go deep fairly often. I think Wilson throws a more accurate deep ball as well.

1/2/2013 6:38:12 PM

After this weekend RW will still be playing, Luck/RGII won't.

/thread

1/3/2013 12:10:34 AM

Quote :

"RGII"

1/3/2013 12:19:02 AM

I actually haven't watched much Redskins this year, but I had seen the comment in another article where they rely on short yardage passes which bumps up Griffin's stats, much like Renner at UNC

1/3/2013 8:32:24 AM

I still think the Jags decision to draft a punter over Russell Wilson will pay off.

I mean they already had blaine gabbert AND chad henne. Getting a third great quarterback would just be superflous

1/3/2013 1:57:37 PM

Quote :

"Is the AFC North a cupcake division too? The Redskins beat the Ravens, who won their division. "

LOL wut? Did you see how the Ravens ended the season?

If you are going to use the “look who each team has played” argument this is a better indicator:

Quote :

"Against playoff teams: Skins: 2-2, Hawks: 4-1, Colts: 3-2."

Yeah yeah yeah, the Seahawks were given win vs. the Packers.
Skins wins: Minn, Bal Losses: Cinci, Atl
Hawks wins: GB*, NE, Minn, SF Losses: SF
Colts wins: Hou, GB, Minn, Losses: NE Hou

Each of them beat Minn, so that’s a wash. It would be hard to argue that the Seahawks didn't have better wins against the playoff teams, even if you take away the GB win. At NE is a pretty big win, and SF is also a quality win although it was at home. Skins beat a Baltimore team that has been in a nose dive since week 12 and the Colts quality win came from a Houston team that's in the same situation. The Colts’ GB win was early in the season, before the Packers looked like themselves.

So "who they beat" is an invalid argument for RGIII, that looks to be a better argument for RW. And if you look into their stats for those wins against playoff teams they are all pretty similar, (probably due to such a small sample size):

RGIII 296yds/game 2.5tds/game 0.5TOs/game
RW 214.5yds/game 3tds/game 0.25TOs/game
Luck 237yds/game 2.3tds/game 0.3TOs/game



[Edited on January 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2013 3:29:30 PM

1/4/2013 11:37:55 AM

Quote :

"LOL wut? Did you see how the Ravens ended the season?"

Yes, considering I'm a huge Ravens fan. We had several bad games due to injury after basically securing the division win and gave away the final game to the Bengals. The Ravens are a solid team when they have all of their personnel and the rest of the AFC North is strong too, so simply being on top of that division means something.

They could suck and lose to the Colts this weekend, but I see them making it to the AFC Championship game at the least.

1/4/2013 1:04:12 PM

LOL, new England and Denver are so much stronger than the rest of the AFC its ridiculous. The chance of Baltimore making the afc championship is pretty low, they are not a very good team this year.

1/4/2013 1:11:21 PM

Denver is surprisingly good this year, and I can see them going to the Super Bowl for sure. I don't see NE as good as they have been in the past few seasons. The Ravens beat them this year early on, before they lost Gronkowski.

Anyway, the Ravens schedule (assuming they win) will go through Denver before the Patriots again. Who knows what'll happen.

1/4/2013 1:28:59 PM

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/01/06/2425389/host-fellow-player-recount-time.html

Wilson during one of his baseball summers

1/6/2013 10:42:43 AM

Why would he be studying the nc state playbook late into the night if he didn't intend to come back to nc state? Another nail in TOB coffin

1/6/2013 10:58:13 AM

I wish RW all kinds of success in the future, just not today. HTTR

1/6/2013 11:03:57 AM