Back in the day, you could buy pot, coke, and heroin OTC.

5/22/2008 3:45:02 PM

i'm not sure you could ever buy mj otc

5/22/2008 3:45:59 PM

explanation of what's going on here?

5/22/2008 3:47:08 PM

^bitch deserved it or no?

5/22/2008 3:47:55 PM

pot head gets caught buying weed in bulk
cops arrest her and give her two choices...jail time or go undercover
pot head picks undercover.
pot head dies at the hand of the dealers

5/22/2008 3:48:09 PM

pretty open and shut if you ask me

5/22/2008 3:49:34 PM

For Quagmire: Young stoner chick got caught with more than a 'personal' amount of weed; they said she could get off if she wore a wire and bought 13k worth of hard drugs and a gun. She was killed in the process. She never spoke with a lawyer or any family, which is her fault. Still, it's kind of an absurd situation to place someone in for a small pot charge. Some say the police are partially at fault. I figured you would have been trolling the hell out of this one by now

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 3:50 PM. Reason : oh well 2 summaries]

5/22/2008 3:50:02 PM

^ you forgot to add the part where she broke the protocol they had given her and got herself killed because of it.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 3:58 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/22/2008 3:58:43 PM

did the cops do anything illegal? when you say "hard" drugs, you mean coke/heroin? did the cops lie to her about what, specifically, might happen?

i mean, it DOES seem pretty open-and-shut...no, i don't smoke weed and have no desire to, but i don't think she should DIE because of it...regardless of whether or not you agree with current marijuana laws, she knowingly broke an existing law and chose to go undercover to avoid jail time (which, i agree, was a stupid move and she REALLY should have consulted a lawyer first - but as mentioned, she chose not to...and if the cops did their job and told her she COULD, then this is 100% her mistake)

if the cops 1.) gave her the FULL options, including letting her know that she could call a lawyer or request legal counsel and 2.) made her aware of what she would be doing and the possible consequences of her choice, then i don't see how anyone can blame the officers for what happened

it's tragic, but the people who should really be punished are those that killed her

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"I figured you would have been trolling the hell out of this one by now"

i'm not in the mood today...i should be on a different sn, but ended up on this one

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"you forgot to add the part where she broke the protocol they had given her and got herself killed because of it."

oh?

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:00:28 PM

^

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""We had established protocols in place to ensure her safety," McCranie continued. "At some point during the investigation, she chose not to follow the instructions. She met Green and Bradshaw on her own. That meeting ultimately resulted in her murder.""

5/22/2008 4:04:08 PM

oh...that was very dumb of her

if that's true, then this really was just a case of dumb girl getting killed

5/22/2008 4:06:29 PM

"At some point in the investigation"

sounds kind of vague to me; almost if she met with them at some point and was later killed.....I'd be interested to know what really happened. If the police didn't follow procedures I'm sure it will come back to bite them in the ass. If not, we'll never hear about it again

Regardless she wasn't the brightest crayon on the box

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:08 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:07:54 PM

see, if this was a case of an under cover officer being killed THEN id have all kinds of sympathy

5/22/2008 4:09:33 PM

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"""We had established protocols in place to ensure her safety," McCranie continued. "At some point during the investigation, she chose not to follow the instructions. She met Green and Bradshaw on her own. That meeting ultimately resulted in her murder."""

cause if they had just fucked it all up from day 1, they would have told us so.

5/22/2008 4:14:19 PM

it would have leaked out a long time ago.

and I don't know why everyones panties are in a wad. A drug addict died...the only sad part is the dealers didn't die too.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:16:48 PM

first of all, thats what she said


and two, who would have known that could leak it?

^because a war on drugs is a war on personal freedom, as i see it.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:18 PM. Reason : s]

5/22/2008 4:17:24 PM

shit like this doesn't stay buried.

5/22/2008 4:18:31 PM

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"She never spoke with a lawyer or any family, which is her fault"

fucking bull shit when they say she wasnt aware of her rights. she just didnt want her parents finding out.


Sad story, but shit, she wanted the easy way out and got fucked on the way.

5/22/2008 4:19:15 PM

^^thank you mr. csi miami. my fears are at ease.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : s]

5/22/2008 4:19:34 PM

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"^because a war on drugs is a war on personal freedom, as i see it."

L


O


L

funniest shit i've read today. A++++++ would read again.

5/22/2008 4:19:38 PM

^^^^^^where in any of the articles about this did anyone claim she was a drug addict, just because she bought an ounce of weed does not mean she was a drug addict. Im skeptical about the whole "she violated protocol" excuse the cops are giving also, they have every reason to try and cover their own asses in this instance.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:20:32 PM

^an ounce of weed is not classified as BULK.

but if you read the article you would know what i'm talking about AND you would clearly see she's a frequent user aka addict.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:22:37 PM

^^No shit ignorance abounds in this thread

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:25 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:25:17 PM

I'm sensing a lot of pot heads in this thread. Then again this is TWW.

5/22/2008 4:26:13 PM

^It seems like she was a regular user, but that also doesn't make her an addict, and I didnt see anything in any of the articles posted about buying "bulk" quantities, one of them mentioned she had been charged with having 25.7 grams on her at one point.

5/22/2008 4:28:48 PM

i'm sensing a lot of idiot in this thread, then again, it is TWW

5/22/2008 4:29:23 PM

1. denial

^well what else would you expect from a lot of pot heads posting in this thread?

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM. Reason : /]

5/22/2008 4:29:40 PM

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"because a war on drugs is a war on personal freedom, as i see it."

yeah, this is a stupid viewpoint...then outlawing rocket launchers and requiring concealed permits and such are all "wars" on your "personal freedoms"...in fact, not letting you do whatever the hell you please wherever and whenever is restricting your personal freedom...i'm not saying that pot should remain illegal (in fact, as anti-drugs as i am, i'd rather see pot legalized and cigarettes banned), but to group all drugs together as being the same is just stupid

5/22/2008 4:30:33 PM

Denial is not acknowledging that your RSX is a Civic with some bells and whistles

5/22/2008 4:30:37 PM

^^it may be a far fetched pov, but drugs themselves only potentially hurt the user, unlike weapons.

all the other stuff that comes with it is a direct result of the fact that it is illegal.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:32:06 PM

snitches get ditches

5/22/2008 4:32:10 PM

pot is a gateway drug. she would have eventually moved on to harder drugs.

5/22/2008 4:32:33 PM

in that effect, so is nicotine, alcohol and caffine

5/22/2008 4:34:20 PM

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"it may be a far fetched pov, but drugs themselves only potentially hurt the user, unlike weapons. all the other stuff that comes with it is a direct result of the fact that it is illegal."

well, i'm glad you admit it's a bit far-fetched (no sarcasm)...but, i think i could argue that a rocket launcher is not inherently bad or dangerous...it's what's done with it that makes it dangerous...pot is not inherently bad, but what you do while under the influence CAN be (i realize that just because you smoke weed doesn't mean you're going to run over children on bikes like that stupid commercial portrayed...my point, rather, is that none of these are bad by the existence, but their very use can be dangerous...you can say that about anything, though, include kitchen knives and cars, and balloons)

5/22/2008 4:36:57 PM

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"an ounce of weed is not classified as BULK. but if you read the article you would know what i'm talking about"

I read the article and still don't know what you're talking about. Where does it say she was buying "bulk" quantities, the article said she was caught with 25.7 grams which as you admit is not classified as bulk.

5/22/2008 4:39:06 PM

would what you classify as bulk then?

5/22/2008 4:44:20 PM

this thread is full of douche.

5/22/2008 4:45:43 PM

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"Denial is not acknowledging that your RSX is a Civic with some bells and whistles"

with today's gas prices, I wish I still had an RSX.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:45 PM. Reason : ']

5/22/2008 4:45:48 PM

when i was working at the SBI offices, we got in a box the size of a refrigerator completely full of weed

now THAT was bulk

5/22/2008 4:46:07 PM

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"pot is not inherently bad, but what you do while under the influence CAN be (i realize that just because you smoke weed doesn't mean you're going to run over children on bikes like that stupid commercial portrayed...my point, rather, is that none of these are bad by the existence, but their very use can be dangerous...you can say that about anything, though, include kitchen knives and cars, and balloons)"

i realize that, but imo its an argument that holds no weight as long as there are thousands of deaths/injuries a year from alcohol related accidents.

5/22/2008 4:46:10 PM

for the record i don't smoke weed.


secondly, its not that farfetched of a view point, but to explain it in a qualified way requires too much typing.

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"outlawing rocket launchers and requiring concealed permits"

Apples/Oranges

This is more akin to helmet laws, seat belt laws, prostitution. The government shouldn't have to play the role of your personal guardian. I'm not saying these issues aren't without valid arguments from either side, but its not as black and white as "she's a pot head, she she should have died."

5/22/2008 4:47:46 PM

^^ i agree, though...everyone just assumes that because i think doing weed is a dumb choice, that i'm automatically okay with people being drunk-ass idiots and i'm not...i don't think people deserve multiple chances while drinking and driving...if you're dumb enough to do it once, you're dumb enough to do it again, and i don't want anyone i care about to be the result of your bad choices

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"This is more akin to helmet laws, seat belt laws, prostitution. The government shouldn't have to play the role of your personal guardian. I'm not saying these issues aren't without valid arguments from either side, but its not as black and white as "she's a pot head, she she should have died.""

i don't think they're playing YOUR personal guardian, but the rest of us who choose to remain in control of ourselves...and, for the record, i (personally) am not saying she deserved to die because she smoked pot

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:48:24 PM

^^ seat belt laws at least protect other people. i would be pretty irritated if i got killed by a flying body in a car wreck just because the guy was too lazy to wear his seat belt.

5/22/2008 4:50:49 PM

its more an issue of gov hypocracy with me.

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"that because i think doing weed is a dumb choice"

no problems with that, but would your opinion change if it were legal?

I know people who see alcohol in the same light, due in no part to its legality, which I respect.. I just think its sheepish to equate right and wrong solely with legality.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 4:53:56 PM

i absolutely would not change my mind if pot were legalized...i don't think someone's going to hell for smoking a joint (morality), but i think giving up control of your body (whether through alcohol or weed or shrooms or whatever) is a bad personal choice...that's all

alcohol is legal now and i have never been drunk in my entire life...i'm sure my self-control has been compromised (i mean, a glass of wine or a beer will do it), but i've never been to the point where my head was swimming or anything like that...it's a personal choice of mine not to give up control because i don't need to be out of control to feel good or relax

*shrug*

5/22/2008 4:58:19 PM

and having never done it, you can say that it has nothing to offer

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"or the record, i (personally) am not saying she deserved to die because she smoked pot "

wasn't directed at you.

and the dude about the seatbelts... keeping a body from hitting you during a crash.... seriously?

there are better arguments.. cost of treating/cleaning up a person who didnt' wear them vs someone who did is a better one

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM. Reason : at least i i think]

5/22/2008 5:03:36 PM

this is where your opinion is now stupid...i haven't tried coke or heroin or rape or shooting people in the face, but i'm pretty sure i know myself better than you

you're now at the point where it's obvious you can't offer any sort of rational argument, because pretending like i can't possibly know anything about myself without doing what YOU think i should, is just pathetic

5/22/2008 5:05:13 PM

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"this is where your opinion is now stupid...i haven't tried coke or heroin or rape or shooting people in the face, but i'm pretty sure i know myself better than you you're now at the point where it's obvious you can't offer any sort of rational argument, because pretending like i can't possibly know anything about myself without doing what YOU think i should, is just pathetic "

hey, thats fine. But you can't say what works best for everyone who isn't you which is why i get irritataed by these laws in the first place

5/22/2008 5:08:04 PM

drugs like crack, heroin, coke...these are the ones that we need to be worrying about. people will rob/steal/kill to get them and that is what makes them harmful to non-users and society as a whole. a girl with 20 grams of weed is hurting nobody. if she was busted with harder drugs itd be understandable, but the police force wants to be in the paper so bad that theyll put a civilian in an undercovers cops shoes.

5/22/2008 5:09:52 PM

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"hey, thats fine. But you can't say what works best for everyone who isn't you which is why i get irritataed by these laws in the first place"

i'm sorry that you're irritated by an attempt to protect people from others...just because SOME people can use drugs responsibly doesn't mean others can...and i, for one, would rather have to listen to potheads bitching (the ones that tend to bitch the loudest are usually the ones that actually ARE responsible, in my experience) than have heroin addicts wandering out in traffic or passed out on railroad tracks

there will NEVER be a "fair" form of government because "fair" is completely subjective...if you don't like it, move somewhere else

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"but the police force wants to be in the paper so bad that theyll put a civilian in an undercovers cops shoes."

this is complete and utter ignorance...though i'm not surprised

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2008 5:12:43 PM