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"^^ Exactly Fry!!"

Was this said on Futurama? I sincerely apologize for my unoriginality. I will punish myself accordingly.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:05 AM. Reason : asdfasdfasdf]

7/29/2008 12:05:05 AM

2.02

7/29/2008 12:05:07 AM

By the very existence of the death penalty with our current justice system, we are putting innocent individuals to death. People are exonerated who are on death row on a regular basis. If even one innocent person is put to death, that is one person too many.

7/29/2008 12:05:28 AM

But with our current DNA system..there's a mUCH better chance of putting the appropriate criminal behind bars as oppose to the appropriate criminal to death for doing some atrocious crime.

Now DNA is not perfect but it's better then what they had 50 years ago..which was he said/she said!

7/29/2008 12:07:09 AM

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""This person killed someone so lets kill him" attitude. We don't burn the houses down of arsonists or steal something from a theif, so why kill murderers? "

are you fucking daft?

how is a dead murderer going to murder anyone again?

7/29/2008 12:08:06 AM

Even if you get it right a majority of the time, I still do not believe that it justifies putting an innocent person to death.

7/29/2008 12:08:31 AM

BobbyDigital again brings the common sense.

7/29/2008 12:09:35 AM

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"“Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6)"

Looks like God says this guy should die.

7/29/2008 12:11:37 AM

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"how is a dead murderer going to murder anyone again?"

As long as you admit that you want it done for your own piece of mind & don't come in with bullshit arguments about it being cheaper than life in prison or that it deters crime, then you are obviously welcome to your belief. I, however, am not a fan of having my gov't kill in my name.

7/29/2008 12:12:42 AM

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"Appeals for 20 years isn't cheaper than life in prison. Maybe if those given the death penalty were killed quicker then your argument would stand"

I know that, and thats something that needs to be fixed, its ridiculous.

7/29/2008 12:13:37 AM

Do people who dont live in the Bible belt region make some of these same arguments..Id be really interested in getting the veiw from some New Yorker, or some person from Montana, or someone from Arizona or California....

Bible Thumpers and politics is starting to drive me fucking crazy!!

7/29/2008 12:13:57 AM

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" Bible Thumpers and politics is starting to drive me fucking crazy!!"

*snorts*

You cannot be from Pitt County.

7/29/2008 12:15:05 AM

^^I always thought most Bible-thumpers were in favor of the death penalty. Hence why a huge majority of the executions happen here in the south.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:16 AM. Reason : ^]

7/29/2008 12:15:56 AM

yep that I am

7/29/2008 12:16:17 AM

texas and virginia are numbers one and two, n'est-ce pas?

7/29/2008 12:16:38 AM

I <3 the death penalty, it's one of the things I miss about Texas. They don't fuck around with all this touchy-feely bullshit.

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"I bet cddweller would blow Hitler. And that's probably just as bad as the chair."

Ahahaha...that's awesome.

7/29/2008 12:17:05 AM

Like seriously and honestly born and raised in Pitt County???
Where?

7/29/2008 12:17:30 AM

Does anyone know if NCSU has ever had any alumni who have ever had to receive the death penalty..im just curious..since we're on this topic...?

7/29/2008 12:18:22 AM

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"texas and virginia are numbers one and two, n'est-ce pas?"

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=186

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:19 AM. Reason : ^s]

7/29/2008 12:18:31 AM

Born in Guilford county, grew up in Pitt County(as in lived there for 15 yrs).

7/29/2008 12:19:49 AM

Just wondering because that opinion is very rare to come from anyone who is actually from Pitt County.

*born and raised there, myself*

7/29/2008 12:20:46 AM

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"I feel those that are for the death penalty should be the ones to kill the people that they are teaching a lesson to."

Does that mean I can kill the rapists, murders, et. al. ?

Sign me up.

7/29/2008 12:27:45 AM

where did you go to high school...b/c I went to Rose and u?

7/29/2008 12:27:53 AM

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"Placing values on different human's lives is a dangerous road to head down"

did you even read what i said when you quoted me?

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"Even if you get it right a majority of the time, I still do not believe that it justifies putting an innocent person to death."

i'm not sure anybody in two pages has said to kill an innocent person. as for myself, i'm saying that someone that is proven guilty of murdering an innocent individual deserves the death penalty (i.e. if some people saw the murder happen, etc). there's a load of issues you can bring up with anything less than proof, and that's another thread altogether.

7/29/2008 12:28:32 AM

Conley c/o 2000.

7/29/2008 12:30:09 AM

Ahhhhhhhhh you went to Conley....the differences in the Greenville Rose crowd and the D.H. Conley crowd..that's a post which will get it's on thread..hehe that's a 4 page topic in itself....

7/29/2008 12:31:34 AM

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"Does that mean I can kill the rapists, murders, et. al. ? Sign me up."

Sure, why not? You wouldn't puss out like the snob in The Dark Knight, would you?

7/29/2008 12:31:35 AM

I am soon to be 27 years old and the differences between Rose and Conley mean very little to me at this stage in the game. I am not even sure that they are rivals in the same way anymore now there are other high schools in the area.

7/29/2008 12:34:13 AM

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"did you even read what i said when you quoted me?"

Yes, I read the entire sentence you posted. It's just that all cases aren't going to be as cut and dry as killing someone who simply killed for $20. Which actions are punishable by death, which aren't, & who decides? What amount of proof is necessary to sentence someone to death? More, less, the same?

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"i'm not sure anybody in two pages has said to kill an innocent person. as for myself, i'm saying that someone that is proven guilty of murdering an innocent individual deserves the death penalty (i.e. if some people saw the murder happen, etc). there's a load of issues you can bring up with anything less than proof, and that's another thread altogether."

Do you honestly believe with the amount of people on death row that have exonerated that no innocents have been executed? Though when your idea of someone being proven guilty is an eyewitness (eyewitness testimony is weak at best). How about Alan Gell who was sent to death row wrongly due to 1) false eyewitness testimony (from the 2 who actually killed the victim) & 2) prosecutorial misconduct (prosecutors knew he had a stone cold alibi and couldn't have been the one who killed the victim, but proceeded so as to have a better conviction rate)...Oh, and that happened here in good ol' NC just a few years ago.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:38 AM. Reason : l]

7/29/2008 12:37:57 AM

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"Plus it's much more costly to American taxpayers to keep some heinous criminal in prison over the course of their lifetime...the state picks up their hospital tab, feeding them, clothing them..yada yada....with some folks life in prison is a great thing for others I say 'HELL YEAH to the death"...that goes for ALL rapists..and folks like Jeffrey Dahmer! the death penalty was made for specific nut jobs like these crazy asses!"

This was always my take too, but it's apparently actually cheaper to keep them in prison for life. I've seen the numbers a couple of times (from friends who show'd me material) and it was substantially more expensive to execute someone, because of the length and expense of the appeals and waiting process (both of which are ABSOLUTELY necessary)

7/29/2008 12:37:59 AM

lol Rose and Conley...

There are many, many things worse than death that we could do to prisoners, depends on what your idea of inhumane is.

7/29/2008 12:44:02 AM

slightly off topic but our sentences for crimes are the longest of those of industrialized nations. Other nations have lower crime rates AND they put their criminals in jail for shorter jail time.

7/29/2008 12:44:37 AM

ok i didnt feel like reading this whole thread so...maybe you guys have changed topics but....

the death penalty is too easy. a guy this bad needs to be locked in a room alone...with the families of his victims.

7/29/2008 12:48:23 AM

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"slightly off topic but our sentences for crimes are the longest of those of industrialized nations. Other nations have lower crime rates AND they put their criminals in jail for shorter jail time."

Exactly, capital punishment isn't a deterrent. Same goes for this country. The states with the highest execution rates have the highest homicide rates

7/29/2008 12:52:01 AM

well, not really addressing your point but our long jail times is a result of the fact that the public vote for judges. Hence, judges that are or make it look like they are tough on crime get elected. This is the reason our jail times handed out are higher than other countries. Other countries have judges appointed by an elected leader such as governor or whatnot.

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"The states with the highest execution rates have the highest homicide rates"

is really just a circular logic. Of course those states have the highest execution rates, they have the most opportunities for that sentence due to the high number of murders.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM. Reason : .]

7/29/2008 12:55:47 AM

^ That's just a causation confusion.

7/29/2008 12:56:00 AM

isnt the crime rate greatly reduced in the countries in the middle east that...cut off your hand when you steal and stone you to death for adultery? (my spelling may be off a lil...)

it seems to be working over there...

7/29/2008 12:58:02 AM

didn't anyone go to school? eye for an eye came from Hammurabi's code-the first written code of laws. nothing new in oh say the last 4000 years.


[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 1:09 AM. Reason : mmm][image]

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 1:24 AM. Reason : sdhf]

7/29/2008 12:58:54 AM

^^^, I'm not sure what you mean by that? high jail times are electing judges?

^^, come on, do you really want to live in that sort of society? And iirc it's not the penalties that cause lower crime rates, it's societal influences like all the fucking violence on TV and shit that makes us have such a viloent society. Someone please help me out here if you know more than I do. I suck at this sociology shit.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 1:02 AM. Reason : .]

7/29/2008 12:59:22 AM

god dang it why are my pics always little!?!?!?!

7/29/2008 12:59:34 AM

^4 you mean like iraq?

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 1:00 AM. Reason : ^ you're not doin' it right, dur]

7/29/2008 12:59:48 AM

-a huge part of the reason i'm in the profession i'm in is because i want to make the world a better place by killing people who are fucking it up.

-i'm generally pro-death penalty, but it isn't a hot button issue for me.

-it has been argued that even if we accidentally execute an innocent person occassionally, we gain a net preservation of innocent human life by snuffing out murderers (taking into account people killed by murderers who escape from prison, kill inmates or guards in prison, etc).

-i think we should introduce some personal responsibility to the process...maybe have one person selected at random from juries who recommend the death penalty to be required to be the one who throws the switch...and maybe require the whole jury be there to witness the execution.

[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 1:04 AM. Reason : see who REALLY supports the death penalty.]

7/29/2008 1:03:14 AM

uhm....i dk, i think like saudi arabia?? i just know someone that was in the military a long time ago and told me stories.

7/29/2008 1:04:08 AM

Kinda of like Paths to Glory!

7/29/2008 1:04:14 AM

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"I'm not sure what you mean by that? high jail times are electing judges?"

I misread your original post. My bad.

7/29/2008 1:06:00 AM

my woman is my property and i'll do what i want with it.

7/29/2008 1:07:36 AM

omg i think i saw u on dr. phil!!!

7/29/2008 1:08:06 AM

I read as far as it took to see Genghis Khan mentioned

and all i gotta say is that Genghis Khan was one of the greats

7/29/2008 1:26:04 AM

7/29/2008 1:29:30 AM

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"I feel those that are for the death penalty should be the ones to kill the people that they are teaching a lesson to."

Holy shit that would be so awesome. I would choose this method.

7/29/2008 1:38:09 AM