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"hello i said ATHLETICS (in general, you know). sports. in general. women. not allowed to compete. for long time."

women aren't allowed to compete b/c they're not good enough. just like me.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 8:52 PM. Reason : except now they are allowed, even though they're still not good enough]

7/31/2008 8:51:38 PM

nah it that wasnt the reason it was because they werent allowed to leave the house

shit the white man was supposedly superior to the nigger in sports

hows that turned out

it wont be the same for women, but im dmaned convinced there are amazing female athletes out there

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 8:53 PM. Reason : c]

7/31/2008 8:52:39 PM

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"If you allowed a decent male gymnast [competitor in any sport] to compete in the women's events [of the same sport] he would win every single one of them."

Holy shit what a revelation

7/31/2008 8:53:10 PM

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"lif e is just alot better if you quit watching sports with respect to other competitions and teams "

hahaha <3 zombcraw

well that is the point isn't it. you're saying women's sports aren't good. good compared to what? MEN. if you compare a women swimmer who goes a 55 in 1m fly and 1 that goes 1:13, the first one is still good. and women's swimming isn't so vastly different from male swimming as to make it less enjoyable. its not like basketball where men are athletic, quick, and efficient and women just dribble the ball on their shoes out of bounds every 2.5

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 8:55 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 8:53:14 PM

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"women aren't allowed to compete b/c they're not good enough. just like me. "

oh my god i was talking about sports in general not the olympics. like women were not allowed to play sports in GENERAL for a long time. not just compete but to PLAY.

7/31/2008 8:54:18 PM

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"if you compare a women swimmer who goes a 55 in 1m fly and 1 that goes 1:13, the first one is still good."

i'm going to rewrite what i think you meant, and then respond to it.

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"if you compare a women swimmer who goes does a 55 in 1m fly flat and 1 that goes 1:13, the first second one is still good."

13 seconds in a 55 (m swim? i think you mean 50m). that's a TON of time.

7/31/2008 8:58:18 PM

i meant 100m. i meant 55 in a 100m fly vs. one who goes 1:13. and then the male is probably like 53 seconds. these are just made up but i'm saying. the male isn't that much faster. but regardless if you use the male as the standard yes, women are not as good at sports. but we've already addressed biological differences etc. but if you compare the athlete who goes a 55 (seconds) in a 100(meter) fly to one who goes 1:13, then the first one is good. but as everyone's comments here have suggested, we only allow women to compete in sports (NOT THE OLYMPICS, BUT IN GENERAL) because it is politically correct. so the female who is 2 seconds slower than the male but markedly better than other swimmers in her field, should be unable to compete because she couldn't make it in the "main event"??

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:01 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 8:59:19 PM

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"through my years of learning technique through various sports ive learned to respect women because the top level performers are always more technically sound than their male counterparts who have other more innate abilities to rely on for lapses in technical proficiency such as power, balance, and quickness"

That's just not true. That's the same kind of tripe that I get pissed about. Women have better fundamentals so it's just as enjoyable even though they can't jump. Yes, at the lower levels of competition you do see athletic freaks without technique dominate, but as the level of competition increases that disappears, just look at how many guys don't make it in the NFL because athleticism only caries you so far. Hell, if anything it's the opposite, the difference in athletic ability between the best man and the #2 man (the vast majority of time) is less pronounced than between the best woman and the #2 woman. You tell me which player is more technically sound, Roger Federer or Serena Williams? Tiger Woods or Lorena Ochoa? Now look at the athletic difference between Serena and say, Martina Hingis when they were both in their primes. Compare that to say... Michael Phelps and Ian Thorpe.

7/31/2008 9:02:24 PM

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"but as everyone's comments here have suggested, we only allow women to compete in sports (NOT THE OLYMPICS, BUT IN GENERAL) because it is politically correct."

they can play rec league all they want. having seperate events in the olympics is a political correctness issue.

7/31/2008 9:04:08 PM

7/31/2008 9:05:20 PM

well i'll be the first female to thank all the men in the world for allowing us the courtesy of participating in the olympics

7/31/2008 9:07:16 PM

im just saying mr. kurtis


when learning and reviewing technique, 99% of the time the tape the coach popped into the VCR have been women

kurtis do you even know what tennis technique invlolves or are you just going by what you think techique is

at least im not gonna sit here and pretend to know

so no, i cant answer your question

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:08 PM. Reason : g]

7/31/2008 9:07:32 PM

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"If you allowed a decent male gymnast to compete in the women's events he would win every single one of them"

most men are too tall for doing the same kinds of stuff on the lowest uneven bar

but hey, continue to think that if you like

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM. Reason : and I'm not even going to mention the balance beam]

7/31/2008 9:08:21 PM

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"so the female who is 2 seconds slower than the male but markedly better than other swimmers in her field, should be unable to compete because she couldn't make it in the "main event"??"

Well, if the goal is actually to find the best in the world at something then... no she shouldn't be allowed to compete because she wouldn't be relevant to the conversation, in much the same way that the Olympic gold medalist frequently doesn't beat out the best possible field to earn that medal. This year's winner of the 100m dash will probably have a field with the top 5 in the world, then like #12, #25, and #30. Ideally you would line up the guys with the top 10 times over a series of competitions . Instead, since Malawai gets to bring a contingent of 3 guys just like the US and Jamaica you leave out some of the people who do belong.

Again, I'm not hating on all women's sports. Some of it is fine, but don't tell me they're athletically equal or, as the original article suggest, better than their male counterparts in some instances.

7/31/2008 9:11:57 PM

sexy women in sports
http://www.sports-wired.com/women/

please post pics from there, my internet is down and I am stealing my shit from my neighbor atm

7/31/2008 9:14:34 PM

if women want to go through qualifying and all that, then i'm all for it. i would like this, actually.

they won't qualify, though.

7/31/2008 9:16:04 PM

I didn't read the thread, but my sister was an INCREDIBLLY skillful athlete and she was a gymnyst. I consider myself to be very athletic, but I was no match for her. She still holds the most records of any athlete at our high school (she got hurt by a drunk driver that effectively ended our athletic life her senior year of h.s. that prevented her competing in college). That doesn't mean she could compete in anything against men, but I think the article was talking about SKILL not strength.

And I would agree with that being subjected to so many gymnastic meets as a little kid growing up.

7/31/2008 9:19:20 PM

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"most men are too tall for doing the same kinds of stuff on the lowest uneven bar but hey, continue to think that if you like [Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:10 PM. Reason : and I'm not even going to mention the balance beam]"

Way to be all kinds of wrong. The uneven bars were only introduced because women couldn't do shit on the parallel bars, granted, now no men do that event, but only because it doesn't exist. I'm sure you're right though, that 4 inch average height difference between male and female gymnasts is probably the determining factor on a 1.75m aparatus. You're implication about why men don't do the beam is equally wrong. Similar potentially testicle crushing maneuvers are performed on the pommel horse.

7/31/2008 9:22:45 PM

if you ever doubt the athleticism of female athletes, fuck a female soccer player. that shit is rediculous

7/31/2008 9:23:12 PM

how about we all agree that the men in their respective sports could most likely beat the women.

but your initial comments of them not being compelling TV and they cry every ten minutes is absolute shit.

it is definitely compelling TV for the olympics and shut up about the crying. when a fucking male wins gold, he's got tears too

7/31/2008 9:24:43 PM

yea people who complain about tears being shed has never gotten his fat ass off the couch and did anything meaningful

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM. Reason : t]

7/31/2008 9:26:42 PM

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"when learning and reviewing technique, 99% of the time the tape the coach popped into the VCR have been women kurtis do you even know what tennis technique invlolves or are you just going by what you think techique is"

Actually, yeah. I have some limited tennis knowledge. Serena and Venus both have pretty average technique. The reason the Williams sisters have so much success with their groundstrokes is not technique, it's that they hit it so much harder than their opponents. It's not like Serena has shitty technique, it's just that her game is all power, Justine Henin on the other hand had a damn near perfect forehand compared to Serena's. Federer has almost flawless technique much like Borg or Sampras.

7/31/2008 9:28:44 PM

Oh, I cried when I was a frosh in H.S... I was the only underclassmen starter on the baseball team and I made the error that cost my school the game in the state playoffs (semis I think)... Funny thing is I only made 2 errors the WHOLE year...

We won the next year, so I got over it... They way I look at it, is if you never took it so serious that it made you that upset when you lost as a kid, you probably weren't all that competitive.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:29 PM. Reason : wait was that frosh or soph year... either way, I'm a bitch.]

7/31/2008 9:29:04 PM

shit i bout cried last week during training after this guy came back after a 4 month lay off and worked me when i had been there nearly every day of that 4 month period training

i dont see how anyone couldnt, that shit is frustrating

7/31/2008 9:30:52 PM

omg want

7/31/2008 9:31:34 PM

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"yea people who complain about tears being shed has never gotten his fat ass off the couch and did anything meaningful"

well said. any MALE athlete that hasn't cried over a big win / devastating loss obviously has never played in a true competitie environment

7/31/2008 9:31:43 PM

or is a soul-less bastard

7/31/2008 9:33:24 PM

twice, losing in the playoffs junior and senior year of high school football.

7/31/2008 9:34:10 PM

Yeah, that probably explains it. I haven't really cried since my grandpa died when I was 12. I cried back in little league and pop warner, but never in high school.

I'm just not the emotional type. I'm not trying to cool guy it up or be e-tuff, I'm just pretty emotionally vacant in general. It's not even really a good trait to have.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:37 PM. Reason : ]

7/31/2008 9:35:32 PM

cool man

7/31/2008 9:35:58 PM

i cried for about 2 weeks after i got hurt junior year at NCSU and couldn't play baseball anymore.

7/31/2008 9:36:42 PM

lol at this thread.

Lets just face it women...men are better at everything. I bet they even make better sandwhiches!

7/31/2008 9:38:03 PM

seriously, a woman never made me a ham and cheese with potato chips, that was all me lol

7/31/2008 9:39:43 PM

we should just give up, i'm happy to give up child bearing......

wonder if they could handle that??

7/31/2008 9:39:46 PM

Not everything, but when it comes to sports, absolutely. I'm tired of people denying obvious physiological differences. That's like someone trying to tell me that men are just as good at processing verbal information. Just isn't true.

^We're damn near there already.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:41 PM. Reason : adsf]

7/31/2008 9:40:45 PM

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"I'm sure you're right though, that 4 inch average height difference between male and female gymnasts is probably the determining factor on a 1.75m aparatus."

I said they couldn't do the same kinds of shit on the lower bar that the women can do, and that's absolutely true. Men generally don't have the same kind of flexibility for clearing the floor with splits beneath the lower bar, etc.

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"You're implication about why men don't do the beam is equally wrong. Similar potentially testicle crushing maneuvers are performed on the pommel horse."

You are implication?

And they don't do the beam because they'd suck at it. Men carry their center of gravity much higher: they'd have a much more trying time on that event. I didn't say anything about testicles, so I have no idea where you're getting that at all.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2008 9:40:45 PM

i need to make a list of things that women are better than me at. I am pretty sure it would outweigh my list of things that I am better than women at.

7/31/2008 9:41:44 PM

fuck the homophone police

thats the lowest form of netscum

7/31/2008 9:42:09 PM

women are better homophone police...

7/31/2008 9:47:30 PM

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"I said they couldn't do the same kinds of shit on the lower bar that the women can do, and that's absolutely true. Men generally don't have the same kind of flexibility for clearing the floor with splits beneath the lower bar, etc."

Yeah, male gymnasts can't do splits. Horseshit. Flexibility is not a largely gendered trait. There is no difference in the pliability of male muscle tissue vs. female. There is some difference in hip structure, but not enough to preclude doing the split that would be necessary to clear the ground on a low bar, unless you actually think that the avg. male gymnast measures over 5 feet from crotch to palm. Besides if the only impediment to a man competing in uneven bars was the relative height of the apparatus then it's sort of a non-issue.

I'm not even going to argue with you about the beam, just read up on the history of the apparatus itself.

Edit: Is it liberating to be intellectually dishonest and intentionally obtuse when it serves your purpose? I'm done with this thread, time for bed.

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:57 PM. Reason : afas]

7/31/2008 9:48:18 PM

why are there no more chicas in volleyball shorts?


i don't like the direction this thread is taking

7/31/2008 9:48:24 PM

^i tried, but i thought no one was paying attention

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 9:50 PM. Reason : a]

7/31/2008 9:50:24 PM

Maria is hotter than any vball chick

7/31/2008 9:52:56 PM

^^that's the only reason i clicked on this thread

7/31/2008 9:53:26 PM

Women are pretty to look at.

7/31/2008 9:57:01 PM

Kurtis 636...shut the fuck up..I have female cousins that could out run, out hit, and out swim your punk ass anyday of the week!

7/31/2008 9:58:01 PM

What kind of pansy sits around arguing about male gymnastics?

7/31/2008 9:58:51 PM

Possibly, but that doesn't make me wrong.

7/31/2008 9:59:16 PM

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7/31/2008 10:01:21 PM