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9/17/2009 11:19:10 AM

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"He stole your bike. Through a system of institutionalized bigotry, intimidation, and emotional abuse towards bike owners, with people questioning whether or not you were the type of person who voluntarily lets people ride your bike all the time, with people using your bike lending history against you, and people questioning whether or not you were asking for your bike to be stolen, you were intimidated into retracting your claim of your bike being stolen."

awesome. hits the nail right on the head.

9/17/2009 11:19:15 AM

Looks like the girl's identity was and remains concealed. Hopefully for her, nobody will publicize anything about her.

9/17/2009 11:25:51 AM

she should automatically get half the sentence they would have gotten--if it's found that it was complete bullshit on her part like it was on the duke lacrosse bitch

9/17/2009 11:27:38 AM

fuck it. lets just execute her with a gunshot to the head.

9/17/2009 11:38:25 AM

great idea

9/17/2009 12:08:45 PM

I used to live in Nassau County

9/17/2009 12:13:45 PM

That pic, esp the guy with the paper in his hand, reminds me of Maury "You are NOT the father!"

9/17/2009 1:37:06 PM

What if its like Duke LAX

9/17/2009 2:01:46 PM

Almost all rapes aren't.

9/17/2009 2:09:04 PM

there is footage........the fucking plot thickens

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"Attorney: Video refutes Hofstra gang-rape claims Posted: 59 minutes ago MINEOLA, N.Y. —An attorney for one of the men accused of gang-raping a Hofstra University freshman says the video of the sexual encounter refutes allegations that the victim was tied up and forcibly attacked. Victor Daly-Rivera, the lawyer for 20-year-old Kevin Taveras, said Thursday that the video resembled a pornographic movie. He says one of the five accused men shot the video on a cell phone. He would not say which one. The victim, who has not been identified, changed her story Wednesday night and said the sex was consensual. Prosecutors are now considering possible criminal charges against the woman. THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below. MINEOLA, N.Y. (AP) - Hofstra University has suspended a college student who recanted claims that she was gang-raped by five men in a dormitory bathroom. Hofstra spokeswoman Melissa Connolly said Thursday that the school had lifted a suspension against the one student among the five suspects. Connolly refused to identify the 18-year-old freshman who accused the five men of rape on Tuesday. The student recanted her charges a day later. The four suspects who had been arrested, including Hofstra student Rondell Bedward, were released from jail on Wednesday. Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed."

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[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 2:13 PM. Reason : -->

9/17/2009 2:09:07 PM

I WOULD LIKE TO PICK THE CHARGES BACK UP

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 2:14:13 PM

LOL at all the people condeming these guys as rapists with no evidence.

9/17/2009 2:40:58 PM

if there is PROOF that she was not raped, her name and pic should be splashed all over all types of media.

and she should go to jail.

9/17/2009 2:48:55 PM

I don't know if you're referring to me, but I never did that. The bottom line is that almost all rape charges brought forth are genuine, and cases like this are awful because they do nothing but make it more difficult for women to come forward.

And it makes it a complex situation to charge the woman. What does this say to the NEXT woman who is afraid to come forward? What if no one believes her? Will SHE have to go to jail if she can't prove that she was raped?

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 2:49:11 PM

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"almost all rape charges brought forth are genuine"

link plz

9/17/2009 2:50:07 PM

Are you fucking kidding me?

Why is rape the only issue that has men up in arms about false allegations? Why aren't you asking for proof on false murder accusations?

9/17/2009 2:51:41 PM

I'm not up in arms about anything. The hypothetical that the woman was intimidated into dropping her charges sounds completely plausible to me, but it also sounds completely plausible to me that she consented to the gangbang and regretted it afterwards making up rape charges. Either way, it seems pretty silly to automatically assume one way or the other without knowing any of the details.

I would imagine that it is an emotional issue for men because there is alot more gray area with regards to rape and it can lead to a conviction with little to no evidence beyond the woman's word.

9/17/2009 2:56:00 PM

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"The hypothetical that the woman was intimidated into dropping her charges sounds completely plausible to me, but it also sounds completely plausible to me that she consented to the gangbang and regretted it afterwards making up rape charges."

There's a difference between possible and plausible. It's possible that she also was abducted by aliens and the entire scenario was transplanted into her memory. Is it plausible? No.

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"it can lead to a conviction with little to no evidence beyond the woman's word."

I would like for you, sir, to find me one case in past twenty years of United States law where a man was sent to prison for rape based solely on the testimony of the victim.

Even if you do manage to find one case, compare that to the amount of cases where a woman brought forth charges and the man was found innocent. And try to imagine in how many of those cases was the man really innocent.

One of these situations happens much more likely than the other. Want to guess which one?

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"I would imagine that it is an emotional issue for men"

Lo fucking L of the year.

Women: I was horribly sexually assaulted, beaten, and emotionally scarred for the rest of my life because I was violated by a man.

Men: B-But! My emotions! A trial could make me sad!

9/17/2009 3:02:26 PM

How about how a man could be emotionally scarred by being wrongfully accused/convicted of rape?

From now on, in the eyes of his neighbors, prospective employees, and the law, he's a rapist.

9/17/2009 3:07:34 PM

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"How about how a man could be emotionally scarred by being wrongfully accused/convicted of rape? From now on, in the eyes of his neighbors, prospective employees, and the law, he's a rapist."

I guess that's so much worse than being actually raped.

WELP, pack it up, boys! We might as well not try to prosecute any rape cases anymore! I wouldn't want to take the chance of accidentally emotionally scarring someone who could possibly be or not be a rapist.

For that matter, let's stop prosecuting all crimes. After all, we wouldn't want to take the chance that we're wrong on those cases either!

9/17/2009 3:10:00 PM

One day when I start having sex, I am gonna video tape it every time so I have proof it was consensual.

Plus I can fap to it later.

9/17/2009 3:10:08 PM

I find it incredibly ironic that I, of all users on this site, am the one person in this thread defending rape victims.

9/17/2009 3:13:05 PM

I had forgotten why I don't get in arguments with e-tough douchebags on TWW, thanks for reminding me.

I don't have enough information to know what happened with this girl. If there is a video of the act, then it sounds like the police have made the right decision. Like I said, either scenario seems plausible to me. I'd imagine that every woman who makes the news after making false accusations of rape does just as much, if not more, damage to the cause of future rape victims eventually coming forward.

^^^ get some reading comprehension dude. noone is equating the emotional damage of rape and false accusations. You asked why men get up in arms (i.e emotional) about false accusations of rape and we were answering.

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM. Reason : d]

9/17/2009 3:20:04 PM

Well, sounds like she could be criminally prosecuted for lying to the police, and the boys have a civil case for slander. I would assume that the report says the video shows her not being tied up or held down, but that's not clear. It's shaping up more as if she lied about the charges, and in which case, she does deserve a good stint in prison.

9/17/2009 5:50:31 PM

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"maybe maybe maybe she's a whore just sayin"

9/17/2009 6:12:44 PM

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"I find it incredibly ironic that I, of all users on this site, am the one person in this thread defending rape victims."

i was defending her from teh beginning, because pressure and intimidation and misplaced guilt is often common with date rape victims.

but the newly reported evidence -- the video that supposedly refutes the alleged victim's claim -- seems to really favor the defendants.

sucks to be her.



NOTE TO SELF: all future drunken gangbangs WILL be shot on video.







[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 6:14:44 PM

Almost Everyone in the thread: Rape is bad, but so are false accusations
God: NUH-UH! Rape is so much worse that we shouldn't even consider false accusations a possibility! Accusation = GUILTY

9/17/2009 6:19:59 PM

Holy fuck, she admitted she wasn't raped, and there are still people on this board who believed that she was, in fact, raped?

Interesting...

If this were a civil case, I'd understand you guys being skeptical.... If it was the mob... maybe, but they don't gang-rape women. Were they gangsters? No, it would have said that in the news like the news always does. I don't think you guys were thinking clearly.

9/17/2009 6:21:01 PM

No one is saying that.

9/17/2009 6:56:42 PM

no, but you're pretty much implying it

whether you mean to or not



[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 7:16 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2009 7:16:18 PM

And you're pretty much implying that all women are lying whores. See, I can be hyperbolic too!

9/17/2009 7:39:43 PM

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"I would like for you, sir, to find me one case in past twenty years of United States law where a man was sent to prison for rape based solely on the testimony of the victim."

A little over 20 years, nonetheless:

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"Born in Haiti, Lesly Jean immigrated at 12 to New York, where his few family members took little interest in him. He grew up in a part of Brooklyn where street fights were common. At 19, he joined the U.S. Marine Corps to toughen himself up and to be with people he could count on for support, structure, even love. He went overseas, to the Mediterranean and through the Suez Canal. Back at Camp Lejeune, on a Monday night in July 1982, he walked into a Dunkin' Donuts store and had his new life shredded. A Jacksonville police officer stopped him. Jean, the officer said, resembled the composite drawing of a man who had raped a woman nearby five days before. Three months later, Jean was convicted of rape and sexual assault and shipped off to Central Prison to serve two consecutive life terms. "I was 22, just beginning to grasp life for what it is," Jean said. "It was like cutting down a tree." The jury had convicted Jean on the testimony of two eyewitnesses, the victim and a police officer who briefly stopped the rapist before he fled. [...] Four Marines testified that Jean was in his barracks that night. [...] Jean lucked into a passionate advocate, Paul Green, a lawyer at N.C. Prisoner Legal Services. Green got a court order to unearth the audio recordings and other materials. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals freed Jean in 1991. Had prosecutors handed over the recordings and records of the hypnosis, Jean probably would not have been convicted, the court said. [...] Once out, Jean asked for a pardon. Gov. Jim Martin said no. [...] After his initial thrill with freedom, Jean's life began slipping. He drank too much. He tried crack cocaine. "I tried to kill myself," Jean said. "Not with a gun, not running in front of a train, but indirectly, drinking and drugging." Six years after prison, after his dishonorable discharge was upgraded to an honorable discharge, Jean finally went for help. He was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. In 2001, a DNA test exonerated Jean. Gov. Mike Easley pardoned him, and the state paid him $90,000 under the terms of a 1997 law that gives $10,000 a year to those who have been wrongly convicted."

http://www.newsobserver.com/634/story/387747.html

Also:

http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Search-Profiles.php?check=check&title=&yearConviction=&yearExoneration=&jurisdiction=&cause=&perpetrator=&compensation=&conviction=rape&x=25&y=4

http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Search-Profiles.php?check=check&title=&yearConviction=&yearExoneration=&jurisdiction=&cause=&perpetrator=&compensation=&conviction=sexual&x=16&y=2

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 8:18 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 8:13:02 PM

^4

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"1. He didn't steal your bike and you lied and nothing happened. 2. You voluntarily let him ride your bike and then decided to say he stole your bike and then retracted that. And most likely: 3. He stole your bike. Through a system of institutionalized bigotry, intimidation, and emotional abuse towards bike owners, with people questioning whether or not you were the type of person who voluntarily lets people ride your bike all the time, with people using your bike lending history against you, and people questioning whether or not you were asking for your bike to be stolen, you were intimidated into retracting your claim of your bike being stolen."

9/17/2009 8:20:33 PM

I was responding to the ridiculous claims everyone is making that, when a rape is reported, it's JUST AS LIKELY that it's "all made up" than to be true.

Like this idea that women are just these vapid whores that would risk the charge of filing a false police report just to drag someone's name through the mud or get them imprisoned. Like it's some sort of epidemic of lying among women.

9/17/2009 8:47:05 PM

Fuck all of you.

I hope your sister or girlfriend never has to go through the trauma of rape, where not only will she have to go through the emotional and physical trauma of being fucking raped, but that everyone will be telling her that she shouldn't cause trouble, everyone will be questioning whether or not she's just a whore who made it up to "get back at a guy," everyone will be questioning her sexual history, and if she decides it's not worth going through the emotional stress of reliving it in court, that everyone will decide she's just a dumb whore who made it up.

9/17/2009 8:49:56 PM

Yeah, I hope so too.

Sucks that rape victims are sometimes questioned, but thems the breaks in the justice system.

9/17/2009 8:53:52 PM

I find it hilarious that a guy who set up a streaming webcam on a girl's computer without them knowing about it is trying to act like he's a defender of women against sex crimes in this thread.

9/17/2009 9:43:26 PM

I'm a changed man.

9/17/2009 9:48:46 PM

wait, wut?

9/17/2009 11:13:51 PM

GET THE FUCKIN POPCORN

IT JUST GOT GOOD

9/17/2009 11:23:43 PM

God :

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"I find it incredibly ironic that I, of all users on this site, am the one person in this thread defending rape victims lying skanks who make up rape charges ."

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 11:31 PM. Reason : x]

9/17/2009 11:30:03 PM

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"Rape accusation 'traumatizing,' former suspect says Story Highlights NEW: Accuser's actions, demeanor "depict a very troubled young woman," DA says NEW: Attorney critical of police; department has no comment on case "I thought I was going to do time for something I didn't do," Kevin Taveras tells HLN Rape charges dropped after accuser changes her story of attack in dorm NEW YORK (CNN) -- Four young men falsely accused of raping an 18-year-old student at Hofstra University were trying to return to their normal lives Friday after an ordeal that two of them described as traumatic. "I was really scared. I couldn't believe what was basically going through my mind. It was like a big nightmare, and I thought I was going to do time for something I didn't do," 20-year-old Kevin Taveras said on HLN's "Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell." "It was devastating," he said. "I was there just letting the clock tick and tick." Authorities dropped charges and freed the four men hours after their accuser changed her story about having been forcibly tied up and sexually assaulted in a dormitory bathroom. "The woman admitted the encounters with each of the men were consensual," Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice told reporters. The woman recanted her story after authorities told her that part of the incident was recorded on a cell phone video, Rice said. Watch Taveras recount being jailed on false charges » "That was when she began to tell the truth," Rice said. Authorities have not released the accuser's name. "I believe that it is a question of potential safety for her, and the investigation is ongoing," Rice said. It is against the law to report a crime when there was not one, Rice said. Authorities gave no indication whether the woman may face charges. "Her actions and her demeanor depict a very troubled young woman in need of much help," Rice said. Hofstra University has suspended her pending hearings into the matter. Only one of the four accused is a Hofstra student. He has been allowed to return to campus. None has publicly described what happened that night. CNN affiliate WABC-TV of New York spoke with another of the accused, Stan Felipe. "We respect women," he said. "We know how to treat a lady. The thing they said with the rope? Come on. That's disgusting. That's what we were looked at as: disgusting men." "It did traumatize us," Felipe said. "I'm just happy to be home finally." Taveras also spoke with WABC. "It was traumatizing," he told the station. "It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty." He added, "We were treated like animals." They thought they might go to prison for 25 years for something they didn't do, Taveras said. His mother felt as though "she was imprisoned with me," Taveras told HLN. "My whole family was imprisoned because of this." Taveras' attorney had sharp criticism for police in the case. "They paraded their photos in front of the media. They held this press conference. They released all these terrible details about this alleged rape that never took place. And you know, they went off half-cocked, basically," Victor Daly-Rivera said. Sgt. Anthony Repalone, spokesman for the Nassau County Police Department, told CNN on Friday that the department had no comment."

I do not know why everyone is posting boo hoo for her, she admitted she was lying only after the police told her the even was recorded.

9/18/2009 12:36:56 PM

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"and cases like this are awful because they do nothing but make it more difficult for women to come forward."

Cases like this will hopefully make it so that dumb bitches will think twice before making false accusations.

And I've been in the thick of several rape trials (a close friend's relative was raped and during and post-law school I've witnessed two others in their entirety)...and it is easily one of the worst things I'll ever be involved in. It made me come to the conclusion that I'll never defend/prosecute someone in a rape case...just because I don't want to be around it.

At the same time...you're being a fucking idiot in this thread.

9/18/2009 12:56:06 PM

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"everyone will be questioning whether or not she's just a whore who made it up to "get back at a guy," everyone will be questioning her sexual history, and if she decides it's not worth going through the emotional stress of reliving it in court, that everyone will decide she's just a dumb whore who made it up."

hmmm... i wonder why actual rape victims would be questioned in that manner. Maybe because there are lying whores damaging real rape victims' credibility when they do shit like this. As a so-called rape victims advocate, you should be more angry than anyone at what this woman did.

9/18/2009 12:57:38 PM

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 1:09 PM. Reason : nm]

9/18/2009 1:06:04 PM

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"Stalin Felipe"

wtf, who names their kid STALIN....??

9/18/2009 1:10:44 PM

I just want to say that there being a video where it looks consensual doesn't mean shit... i.e.:

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"Investigators say Frazier - trying to defend his son against the rape accusation - showed the tape to school administrators to try and prove the sex was consensual."

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6727765

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 1:11 PM. Reason : but, fwiw, I haven't been following this story so I don't have an opinion on her situation]

9/18/2009 1:11:02 PM

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" NEW YORK (CNN) -- Criminal charges will not be filed against the 18-year-old college freshman who falsely accused five men of raping her in a dormitory bathroom at Hofstra University, an official said Friday. Instead, Danmell Ndonye must participate in a year-long psychiatric program and spend 250 hours in community service for lying to police about what was a consensual sexual encounter with four of the five accused men, Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice said in a written statement. Ndonye said she did not engage in sexual activity with Rondell Bedward, the only one of the men who attends Hofstra University. He has returned to classes. Rice said she retains the option of filing criminal charges against Ndonye if she fails to complete the course of therapy or community service. Rice added that filing criminal charges might have made any future false accuser reluctant to recant and tell the truth, possibly leading to an innocent person serving a lengthy prison sentence. Authorities dropped charges and freed the four men they had taken into custody after their accuser changed her story about having been tied up and sexually assaulted in a dormitory bathroom. The woman recanted after authorities told her that part of the incident was recorded on a cell phone video, Rice said. "That was when she began to tell the truth," she said. It is against the law to report a crime when there was not one, the district attorney said. advertisement "Her actions and her demeanor depict a very troubled young woman in need of much help," Rice said. Hofstra University has suspended Ndonye. "

9/29/2009 9:01:04 AM

I want to know where are those from page one specifically bmel and Samwise16 (sam you know i but you did just condemn these boys out of no where) to recant their statements now that there is video evidence indicating otherwise. it sounds to me if this were a trial you would still vote guilty for these fellows even though the majority of evidence suggests otherwise. continuing to defend her in light of this makes it seem as if you have a gender axe to grind and can't bring yourself to say the guys could be the victim.

furthermore, yes, most definitely, this woman should serve half the sentence that one of these male victims would have served as well as be sued for defamation of character.

It sounds like a girl who got too drunk and did something she regretted. once someone she knew found out it was a black guy and hispanic gang bang the story became rape. (see i can hypothesize the worse aspects of someone's nature too) Sadly, just as people being intimidated into denouncing their allegations this same scenario happens more than you would think, especially once it crosses racial lines.

this entire thread is further evidence of the sexist misandric nature that is ever so present in our culture. if a woman is a victim it is poor her and what about her feelings, but if a guy is a victim he is expected to tough it out. if a guy makes a false accusation we're supposed to throw the book at him but if a woman does so its "but but but some women really are raped so shes still the victim here". thats crap. hold both genders to equal standards.

[Edited on September 29, 2009 at 9:55 AM. Reason : re]

9/29/2009 9:54:37 AM