deal

10/11/2009 8:48:04 PM

also if you bring other girls in... if you can talk them into a cut lower than 51, you get that difference

10/11/2009 8:50:43 PM

Quote :

"the girls get 51% of profit and all tips"

the other boob requests the the other 49

Quote :

"flu vaccines in general. the particular strains get changed up every year. It's also a bitch to find the MLV nasal, which is the only one I'd consider. I want fewer adjuvants, so MLV only for non-lethal stuff."

not going to lie, I have no clue what mlv is.
But it just seems awkward not to get one for that reason (i honestly couldn't tell you what vaccines are "risky" we havent covered that far yet-but I'm going by what i'm learning in immunology which is flu vaccines have a really high efficacy )

but to each his or her own.
i can't really argue because i have never gotten one, but only because I forget to and I've never had the flu



[Edited on October 11, 2009 at 9:02 PM. Reason : dfdfd]

10/11/2009 9:00:07 PM

You know nothing about vaccines and are suggesting them to people? That's scary shit. You should have covered this stuff the first day. Are you in some immunology for retards class?

MLV=modified live virus. MLV is best for non-lethal illnesses because it produces a stronger immune response with fewer adjuvants. adjuvants cause really nasty side effects. The vaccine has virtually no chance of reverting to full virulence, but we're too freaking paranoid and everyone wants the killed vaccines that are not as effective as MLV. The unwashed masses all want the killed vaccine, so that's what all the places stock and people line up for their chance for increased side effects like it was a good thing.

In addition, if you have an autoimmune disease you need to stay the fuck away from vaccines. The adjuvants non-specifically stimulate the immune system and will make your disease worse. I can't find a MLV vaccine without adjuvants, so I no longer get vaccinated for anything unless it's likely to kill me.

10/11/2009 9:09:59 PM

daaaamn joie got lopsided titties

^and this bitch is some crazy hypochondriac that reads webmd and wikipedia all day. she doesnt know shit. i guarantee you that if you go back and run all her arguments through google you can find the exact pages she stole from

10/11/2009 9:11:54 PM

FIRST DAY OF CLASS...

you should know...

every single goddamn thing my paranoid ass looks up on wikipedia

[Edited on October 11, 2009 at 9:14 PM. Reason : I've hung around jackleg too much apparently]

10/11/2009 9:13:34 PM

^ hahahahahaha

EMCE... you're one of my fave tww'ers

10/11/2009 9:15:07 PM

guyz

dont get that bitch started, please.

10/11/2009 9:16:44 PM

I'd buy Samwise16 some ice cream

10/11/2009 9:17:26 PM

i don't think i would ever trust anything lewoods says about anything health related. she may be right, but the fact that its her saying it really makes me question anything.

10/11/2009 9:19:52 PM

This knowledge didn't come from wikipedia. It's really common sense, confirmed by experts in the field.

Your immune system doesn't see a dead virus as much of a threat. If you see a dead dog on the side of the street, do you piss your pants? No. It's dead. Now what if it's on the end of a chain, trying to break free and take a chunk out of you? Same thing with the immune system. You need a live virus to get a response. Only imagine a world where you are hopped up on pills to make you paranoid so you ARE scared of a dead dog. That's what adjuvants do. Then imagine while on those pills right after you pass the scary dead dog your friend taps you on the shoulder to get your attention, and you go ninja on them and crack their neck before you realize they weren't attacking you? That's how autoimmune diseases and allergies start. a non-threat is seen as a threat, the body attacks, and you're fucked.

10/11/2009 9:21:54 PM

makes sense to me

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

10/11/2009 9:22:38 PM

yeah, because everyone talking about adjuvants in EVERY FLU DISCUSSION ON THE WEB knows about it from common sense

10/11/2009 9:24:07 PM

listen i just don't get the flu shot cause i got it once and it was a waste of my time

cause i still got the damn flu

and the rest of the years: no flu! so i just don't get it because i'm not paranoid and all like "ahhhh the swine flu"

but i am kinda like "ahhh cervical cancer" so i got gardasil, which is apparently really bad for you cause like 2 people died from it. so maybe i won't get the next 2 shots.

10/11/2009 9:28:31 PM

That's why I added the confirmed by experts part. MLV vaccines are still commonly used for dogs and cats, and when you talk to a veterinary immunologist (someone who has more experience with both types than their md counterpart) you'll find out that the killed vaccines are pretty much useless in comparison. The titer levels produced are lower, and the protective immunity doesn't last nearly as long.

There's a recombinant MLV rabies vaccine for cats, but us humans are still stuck with the relatively ineffective and dangerous killed vaccines. Not fair.

10/11/2009 9:29:16 PM

Death isn't the only thing that happened with gardisil. And a lot more than 2 people died. Most of them were from blood clots, might want to take aspirin for a couple months.

There were other side effects like genital warts, warts all over the body, double your chances of developing rheumatoid arthritis, etc. It's a choice you have to make for yourself, but your doctor WILL NOT give you the full information on risk.

10/11/2009 9:32:44 PM

i know the exact site this chick has for her homepage, gimme a second

[Edited on October 11, 2009 at 9:38 PM. Reason : http://www.mercola.com/]

10/11/2009 9:36:34 PM

Not a mercola fan.

10/11/2009 9:56:32 PM

you're some horny mother fuckers

-old school jackleg

[Edited on October 12, 2009 at 12:03 AM. Reason : stop influencing my bf to be more of a perv even though he's the least horny perv ever I must be fat]

10/12/2009 12:00:25 AM

I obvously don't post a lot here but I saw the junk science and had to speak up.

"MLV" (the medical term is attenuated btw) vaccines are certainly used in humans. What do you think the MMR is? Measles, Mumps, and Rubella viruses that are attenuated so they no longer cause disease in humans.

Attenuated viruses certainly can be dangerous. If you don't believe me, look up the Sabin and Salk polio viruses. We (the US) no longer use the Sabin vaccine because it can revert to virulence and cripple children.

It's not a question of dangerous vs. non-dangerous when we pick attenuated vs. killed viruses for vaccines. It's a matter of immunology. Now I don't know if you took "immunology for retards" so I'll try to make this simple. Live attenuated viruses establish a cell-mediated immunity to intracellular pathogens. The attenuated viruses do infect human cells, they (usually) don't cause disease, and you selectively proliferate CD8 cytotoxic T-cells that recognize viral antigens and kill the cell that presents the viral antigen.

Back to MMR, these diseases form syncytia, which is a fancy term for a bunch of cells grouped together. Because the viruses spread by grouping cells together, they're basically never outside the cell. Because antibodies don't have access to antigens that are inside of cells forming antibodies to these viruses won't do you any good. The only way to kill intracellular pathogens is to kill the infected cell. Hence, CD8 cytotoxic T-cells.

As for influenza, it happens to be a virus that spends time outside of cells. The famous letters and numbers H1N1 aren't nonsense, they refer to proteins (hemagglutinin and neruaminidase) that (H)bind to the outside of the cell about to be infected and (N)help the newly formed influenza virus exit the cell. These are proteins that are in the extracellular environment and as such are susceptible to antibodies. The injectable flu vaccine contains these proteins, which your body recognizes as foreign extracellular proteins, forms antibodies against, and (hopefully) protects you from the flu.

There is an attenuated flu vaccine, it may or may not work as well as the injectable one and I'm not willing to put money either way. Also, getting or not getting vaccines is your choice. I respect that. What I don't respect is spouting junk science with no knowledge base to back it up. Vaccine injury is a topic that requires serious and knowledgeable debate from both sides.

[Edited on October 12, 2009 at 2:48 AM. Reason : clarity]

[Edited on October 12, 2009 at 2:58 AM. Reason : making it less mean...I'm supposed to be a professional]

10/12/2009 2:38:07 AM

I'm not sure what to make of all this

10/12/2009 3:07:25 AM

i'm not sure just what to make of it from a science perspective

but i've never had a flu shot and don't plan to have one until i'm at least 70

10/12/2009 3:14:29 AM

rebel

10/12/2009 3:15:45 AM

without a gauze

10/12/2009 3:18:34 AM

i'm just sayin'

there have been plenty of years where the flu "vaccine" has immunized against the wrong strains

and if i miss a week of work, so what? i play guitar for a living

people obsessed with doing their office jobs

fuck

10/12/2009 3:25:47 AM

i sure appreciate all that smart info, portmanteau... but it doesn't change the fact that my company is OMG MAKING THE PANDEMIC WORSE!!@!11 and not giving me a free flu shot.

payroll deduction my balls.

^ps - if i lose my job, i dont have much of a side career to fall back on since i no longer do or carry drugs - it's more of an obsession with having a house than an obsession with a job

10/12/2009 5:47:36 AM