you can't carry in a bar, iirc

you need to carry in rocky mount

10/21/2009 4:31:57 PM

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"I feel left out."

You are.

I drive a truck too.

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"My husband and I are wanting to get ours pretty soon, but we want to get more practice in before we take the class."

Like wwwebsurfer said, it's stupidly easy to pass the class.
There were 2 women with their husbands in my class who had never even shot a gun before and they passed.
A husband bringing a wife without teaching them to shoot a gun is stupid as hell and irresponsible, but they still passed.

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"Do some of you just carry a pistol around with you wherever you go I'd feel like an asshole unless I was going somewhere where I really thought I might need it"

I carry whenever I'm not working (state employee) and when it's legal for me to do so.
You really never know when you might need it.
Some teenager here was abducted in the Walmart parking lot, robbed, and dumped in the ghetto.

I'm not saying I'm trigger happy. Sometimes it's easier to give someone your wallet then call the cops and let them handle it.
Other times you will get killed regardless of whether or not you comply.
I like options.

Carrying is no big deal. I put it on me just like I would my wallet or cell phone.

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"If a place is not safe to go without a handgun, it's not safe to go there with a handgun. "

True.

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"Going to Harris Teeter, better take my gun in case some maniac starts poppin off in the produce aisle !"

You think you're funny, but that shit happens.
Two months ago around 7 oclock in Warrenton a man walked into a Lowes Foods.
He pulled a knife out and stuck it into a woman's neck, turned around, and ran out the door. The lady lived, but the knife was less than half an inch from arteries.
Would a pistol in the lady's purse saved her from being stabbed?
Probably not.
Would better situational awareness and a pistol in her purse save her?
Maybe.
"Maybe" is better than "probably not."

10/21/2009 4:32:03 PM

I open carried for a few days, and I'll never do it again. I have no problem whatsoever with those who do, but the hassle just wasn't worth it.

In my first 3 days OCing, the cops were called on me 3 times. I was always dressed respectably. Most assumed I was an off-duty cop.

Be aware that this is part of the hazard of carrying in the open. People will call in "a man with a gun," and you may tire quickly of having to explain yourself to fellow citizens and law enforcement (who most often have no clue what the laws are).

You can unintentionally scare the shit out of gas station attendants, people on the street, etc. Now, some view these interactions as an opportunity to inform people of the rights we have, that it's good for the good guys to have guns, etc. But after nearly being arrested for perfectly legal open carry, I'd much prefer the hassle of concealing to the prospect of daily harassment from uninformed officers and citizens.

10/21/2009 4:32:50 PM

I don't have any problem with other people carrying, I just find it somewhat excessive and often unnecessary

But to each his own

10/21/2009 4:34:01 PM

I'd be more concerned with other people knowing I have a gun

I'm clumsy as fuck with my keys and phone, and drop one or both of them several times a week

I'm sure at some point, my pistol would slip out of my grasp and land on the floor in plain sight

There's going to be more than just raised eyebrows among the other patrons of that establishment

10/21/2009 4:36:20 PM

^^^I know a few guys (including a few on here and myself) that have gone through similar situations (I never was detained, etc, just questioned). It can be a hassle, but I still do it. I'm willing to go through some hassle to educate people including the police.

^that's why you properly holster your weapon and for the most part CC (if you're concerned about people knowing you have a gun). but what does it really matter if someone knows you have one? it's perfectly legal, assuming you are legal to posses.

and you're more concerned with dropping it (which is rare when properly holstered) than potentially needing it for your defense? your risk assessment doesn't make sense

[Edited on October 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2009 4:36:59 PM

When are the next classes coming up?

I want to get mine ASAP.

10/21/2009 4:38:31 PM

With a proper holster, it takes a very intentional effort to move it. And if you are OCing with a proper retention holster, it's almost impossible for it to be taken from you, let alone slipping or falling anywhere.

There are many things to be aware of, but if you have half a brain when purchasing gear, it's a total non-issue.

10/21/2009 4:38:36 PM

^^depends on who you take it from. PDHSC has set classes, as do other businesses. Individual instructors sometimes have a schedule or do it class-by-class.

PM me for a list of all Wake County instructors (its a few years old by now, but you'll find someone. I can also recommend one)

[Edited on October 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2009 4:40:16 PM

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"He pulled a knife out and stuck it into a woman's neck, turned around, and ran out the door. The lady lived, but the knife was less than half an inch from arteries. Would a pistol in the lady's purse saved her from being stabbed? Probably not. Would better situational awareness and a pistol in her purse save her? Maybe. "Maybe" is better than "probably not.""

10/21/2009 4:41:56 PM

I think they tell you you should be able to do a cartwheel with your gun holstered and not have it come out

10/21/2009 4:42:39 PM

Yeah, better situational awareness without arms will just let her get stabbed and see it happen.

10/21/2009 4:43:37 PM

Have any of you ever pulled out your gun in public, with or without intent to use it ?

10/21/2009 4:44:20 PM

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"excessive and often unnecessary"

Access to a gun isn't excessive in a situation where you or someone might be killed.

Yeah, it is unnecessary 99.999999932% of the time.
Necessary means you'll need it. How do you know you'll need it?
If you truely knew it was necessary then you wouldn't put yourself in that position in the first place.

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"I'd be more concerned with other people knowing I have a gun I'm clumsy as fuck with my keys and phone, and drop one or both of them several times a week I'm sure at some point, my pistol would slip out of my grasp and land on the floor in plain sight There's going to be more than just raised eyebrows among the other patrons of that establishment"

Being made is always a possibility.
When you start carrying you typically get paranoid as hell, but that really just opens your eyes to how oblivious most people are.
The only people who might notice are a few LEOs and other people who are carrying.
Losing the gun isn't an issue if you're carrying in a good holster in a good spot on your body.

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"Would better situational awareness and a pistol in her purse save her?"

Seriously. This dude was psycho. The woman wouldn't have gotten away from him before he could harm her.
The guy had just gotten out of jail. He stole a car, drove from Vance Co, then wanted to do something horrible enough to land his ass back in jail.
Why? Because he had food and shelter in jail.

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"Have any of you ever pulled out your gun in public, with or without intent to use it ?"

No and I hope I never do.

Slave...carrying is a deeply personal thing. I don't think the majority of the population can handle that kind of responsibility.
Others (like me) don't think twice about it, but I fully understand how serious carrying a gun can be and I'm comfortable with that. I'm also comfortable in how I handle guns.

[Edited on October 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM. Reason : ]

10/21/2009 4:45:45 PM

^^^^I can't do a cartwheel, so I'm good
^^^yep
^^no, why would you? other than OCing, my pistol is never visible in public. doing that will definitely get a MWAG call and depending on the circumstances, possibly an arrest for GATTTOTP

[Edited on October 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ^]

10/21/2009 4:45:49 PM

I would think the whole point of having the gun is to have it when you need it

so my question is asking whether anyone of you have been in a situation where you deemed it appropriate to pull it out

not to just show off to your friends at the bar

perfect valid question

10/21/2009 4:48:02 PM

Haha I'd advise against pulling it out anywhere that serves alcohol, since its illegal to carry there

I haven't had to pull mine out, but I've potentially avoided some shit late night in a parking lot just by reaching towards it

10/21/2009 4:49:12 PM

^^well you didn't phrase it that way the first time for me, no, I haven't been in that situation yet

[Edited on October 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM. Reason : ^]

10/21/2009 4:49:27 PM

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"Haha I'd advise against pulling it out anywhere that serves alcohol, since its illegal to carry there"

I'll make no bones about it - I carry everywhere without exception. And my location is not going to factor in whether I pull the weapon out.

If I pull the weapon out, it means that my life or someone else's life is in immediate jeopardy.

In that situation, fuck a small charge like unlawful discharge of a firearm or carrying where you're not supposed to carry. If the gun is out, it means I'm trying to save a life.

And any prosecutor is going to have a very hard time selling a charge against a man who acted and saved his own life (or others) by doing what he did.

10/21/2009 4:57:19 PM

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"I would think the whole point of having the gun is to have it when you need it so my question is asking whether anyone of you have been in a situation where you deemed it appropriate to pull it out not to just show off to your friends at the bar perfect valid question"

Like I said, I've never done it.

I do know a guy who has done it twice and I actually do not agree with his decision both times.
He didn't shoot the guys, but he did pull the guns.
Once was when he was in a parking deck in the middle of the day. A man approached him and asked for money. My friend told him he didn't carry cash, but the man insisted that my friend give him money.
He said no, and the guy told him to give up his wallet.
After that, my friend pulled back his jacket revealing his pistol. The guy took off.

In the other occasion, a man was banging on my friend's door saying he wanted to sell him something.
My friend politely asked him to leave. The man continued banging on the door, so my friend pulled a pistol, opened the door, and put the gun on the guy's forehead and asked him to leave.

In both cases it's my opinion that the situation wasn't severe enough to warrent pulling a gun. Both cases could have reached that point, but they didn't.

Most CHP holders I've talked to would agree that it wasn't the best thing to do, but wasn't exactly unwarranted.

[Edited on October 21, 2009 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

10/21/2009 4:57:23 PM

this thread isn't as retarded as I suspected it would have gotten by now.

10/21/2009 5:41:06 PM

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"I'll make no bones about it - I carry everywhere without exception. And my location is not going to factor in whether I pull the weapon out. If I pull the weapon out, it means that my life or someone else's life is in immediate jeopardy."

i'm with you 100%...i didnt mean it like that...i meant, if you're going to pull it out for the sole purpose of showing it to your buddy, the bar is not the place to do it

10/21/2009 6:00:00 PM

ah, gotcha.

10/21/2009 6:04:55 PM

Forbes: Rocky Mount is one of the 10 most impoverished cities in US

Yeah, you'll probably need to carry everywhere there. I guarantee it!

10/21/2009 6:05:52 PM

I could have told you that before the data was published...

10/21/2009 6:40:36 PM

I could too Even the good neighborhoods have manhunts, which obviously means there are no good neighborhoods.

10/21/2009 6:45:36 PM

For those that don't know and who keep asking if people that CC ever pull there guns out or wave them around: In NC, pulling your gun out and pointing at someone is the same thing as shooting them in the laws eyes. They are both considered use of deadly force. So, someone with a CC firearm is highly unlikely to draw their weapon to "flex their muscle" unless they are dead set on shooting someone. Just wanted to clear that up.

- On another note, I think taking the concealed carry class is beneficial to everyone, even if you don't consider carrying a pistol or even owning one. It will teach you a ton about firearm laws in NC.

10/21/2009 6:47:47 PM

ill be getting mine once i move to florida and become a resident....also gonna be getting a S&W MP 9mm

10/21/2009 7:12:51 PM

I have been in a situation where a drunken bafoon pulled his gun, and was going to go teach a guy a lesson. I was beside the bafoon, and he was about to chase down a guy and guy's girlfriend. I was able to talk him out of his actions, lock the gun away, escort him away from the property, and call the police. I sure would have felt more comfortable if I had my gun with me.

I was at a friends house and he was having small party (15 people). The neighbor came over, had about 6 beers, and then started showing off his pistol (1911, IWB, mexican carry). We were thankfull that he left, but his presence had me and another friend on high allert. (we were both carrying)

These are just a couple of stories that I have. Both are idiots illegally carrying firearms.

Carrying is a huge responsibility that isn't taken lightly.
The fact is though, that the mere presence of a gun is usually enough to end the encounter, and that shots fired by CHP holders are not as common.

Recently in VA, an armed robber walked in and shot the convenience store clerk, in front of a line of customers. A person who carried, then killed the bad guy before he killed anyone else.

Bad things happen in good places; I and many other choose to be prepared and have the most options available as possible.

/rambing

10/22/2009 1:51:22 AM

For those of you who are looking to take the course, send me a PM and I will send you some information on my next class.

10/22/2009 7:50:32 AM

Can you carry in other states?

10/27/2009 1:23:31 PM

^31 other states (I believe it's still 31) have reciprocity with NC's CHP. You must abide by their laws, but your CHP is valid in those states. There's a link for it...

this isn't a legal version... and it shows 35 states for us... http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

[Edited on October 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

10/27/2009 1:25:23 PM

Oh ok. Im thinking about taking the class here in ohio. A guy that works for my mom teaches a class. He is also getting ready to start a gun/tatical club.

10/27/2009 1:27:57 PM

picture: (again, not necessarily legally accurate... someone that keeps up with this will surely post/correct it).

also, if you get your CHP in Ohio and then move... I believe you must apply for that state's permit (probably once you are considered a resident)

10/27/2009 1:31:36 PM