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1/25/2010 11:58:55 PM

Obama sucks!!













call the feds

1/26/2010 12:00:16 AM

its safe to assume no matter who became president, it would only be for one term. there's just too much going on to handle and whoever was in place would get the blame. mccain or hilary would both be looking at the same problem.

1/26/2010 12:27:16 AM

Last time we went through this cycle of "Terrible Republican followed by nice Democrat who promised us the moon," we got Reagan out of it. I'm just worried we won't reanimate the Gipper's corpse in time for this round.

1/26/2010 12:29:14 AM

could you imagine if mccain was elected?

1/26/2010 2:44:15 AM

^Not too much difference between McCain and Obama, except that McCain has to take more viagra.

Imagine if Hillary was elected. Her speeches would be so bitchy for 3-4 days every month.

1/26/2010 2:53:34 AM

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"hooksaw changes the topic after getting owned"

1/26/2010 9:24:53 AM

good job everyone on not getting all soapbox in the chit chat. well done and thank you

1/26/2010 9:28:05 AM

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"bush could speak to 10 year olds without a teleprompter..."

just because he COULD didn't mean he SHOULD

1/26/2010 9:28:08 AM

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"Last time we went through this cycle of "Terrible Republican followed by nice Democrat who promised us the moon," we got Reagan out of it. I'm just worried we won't reanimate the Gipper's corpse in time for this round."

So true. I lol'd.

1/26/2010 9:38:41 AM

my life has not changed since obama took over. people are still fighting for country and complaining about the president. nothing ever changes

1/26/2010 9:41:29 AM

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"bush could speak to 10 year olds without a teleprompter..."

and he said to them things like " is our children learning?"

1/26/2010 10:15:59 AM

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""bush could speak to 10 year olds without a teleprompter...""

That's because Bush is on the same level of mental capacity as the kids, no offense to the children.

1/26/2010 10:19:57 AM

The only thing I would consider noteworthy in Obama's quest for doing anything worth a f*** is the 400.00 "stimulus" that appeared on my refund.

1/26/2010 10:20:51 AM

no "stimulus" credit gets my vote as anything but idiocy

then again, the purpose of it is not to stimulate the economy, but to convince the idiots that their government is fixing the problem, so i guess it works...sort of

1/26/2010 10:23:56 AM

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"my life has not changed since obama took over. people are still fighting for country and complaining about the president. nothing ever changes"

1/26/2010 10:29:08 AM

Two years ago the national debate centered around whether or not we should torture.

Now, the national debate is centered around providing affordable healthcare for the entire nation.

Improvement? I think so.

1/26/2010 10:35:27 AM

^how is that an improvement?

healthcare is pretty much fine where it is now - why change it?

1/26/2010 10:37:25 AM

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"healthcare is pretty much fine where it is now"

hahahah. wait. hahahaha.

you must be trolling.

1/26/2010 10:38:36 AM

The fact that Obama made a separate speech using the teleprompter at the school is not the real issue. The real issue is that Obama using a teleprompter before a 6th-grade class seemed entirely plausible.

1/26/2010 10:39:03 AM

Yup, this thread is still awesome.

1/26/2010 10:39:11 AM

folks with jobs that work hard for what they have arent complaining.

1/26/2010 10:39:22 AM

^actually. yes they are.

and to say that a shift in the national debate from the morality and legality of torture to the need to improve the healthcare for all Americans isn't improvement? wait, what?

1/26/2010 10:40:49 AM

The United States still uses rendition, still uses enhanced interrogation techniques, and Gitmo is still open.

1/26/2010 10:42:52 AM

appearantly you missed something there pinky:

1) waterboarding is not torture (i am assuming this is your next argument)
2) healthcare should only be for those willing to put back into the system (unless they have reached retirement, or disabled)

If these conversations were progressing, shouldnt they be able to come to a conclusion on these items before moving on? Healthcare wont get passed, and we will move on to the administrations next failure.

1/26/2010 10:46:23 AM

nothing

ever

changes

1/26/2010 10:46:35 AM

Name three things that keep you safe at night:

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"The United States still uses rendition, still uses enhanced interrogation techniques, and Gitmo is still open."

1/26/2010 10:46:56 AM

If you don't think that affordable healthcare is a good thing for America, then we really don't have anything to discuss because you obviously hate this country.

As for waterboarding: "Waterboarding is considered a form of torture by legal experts, politicians, war veterans, medical experts in the treatment of torture victims, intelligence officials, military judges and human rights organizations." -wiki

so yeah, you're not too bright. Just cause frat boys do it to their pledges, doesn't make any better.

1/26/2010 10:53:27 AM

^ What about "affordable" food, shelter, clothing, and transportation? Would you mind defining "affordable"?

1/26/2010 10:56:02 AM

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"waterboarding is not torture"

haha wow

1/26/2010 11:04:56 AM

again, i make the point - if you are willing to work for it, then it is affordable. If not, folks like me dont want to give it you those who dont. If you want a free ride, go to Europe.

1/26/2010 11:09:52 AM

oh - and if it was up to teh majority, enahnced interrogation techniques would be expanded and would be legalized. What do you care about some terrorist rights?

1/26/2010 11:11:46 AM

^you're incredibly close-minded. You obviously have no grasp of the state of things in this country.

there are millions of people who work hard every single day, yet they can't afford the ever-increasing cost of healthcare. Affordable can be defined as healthcare that the average Joe can afford without going bankrupt the first time he has to pay for chemotherapy for himself or his family.

Don't be that guy. Wait, you are that guy because you said waterboarding isn't torture.

1/26/2010 11:14:32 AM

yeh, so that means we need the government to become our insurance agent and tell us what type of care we need and don't need

1/26/2010 11:16:00 AM

The hilarious thing about people who deny that waterboarding is torture is that after every one of them is waterboarded, they admit that it's torture. This has happened with numerous conservative pundits. Look it up.

1/26/2010 11:16:35 AM

I admit that it's torture. I also admit I'm not entirely against torture.

1/26/2010 11:17:27 AM

I, too, watch '24' and have grand delusions about gathering intelligence.

1/26/2010 11:18:05 AM

lol. yes, because I never heard of torture before '24'.

1/26/2010 11:18:38 AM

Banned Techniques Yielded 'High Value Information,' Memo Says
April 21, 2009

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"WASHINGTON – President Obama's national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists. 'High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,' Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22blair.html

1/26/2010 11:21:12 AM

no one has mentioned racism in this thread yet, soooooooo


RACISM

1/26/2010 11:21:20 AM

^^ I, too, would defend illegal policies that I allowed to occur in order to save my own skin

1/26/2010 11:22:02 AM

^ Are you stupid? Do you even know who Dennis Blair is?

1/26/2010 11:24:48 AM

u mad?

1/26/2010 11:26:36 AM

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"^ Are you stupid? Do you even know who Dennis Blair is?"

Blair assumed office in January 2009--for the Obama administration. The leaked memo at issue was Blair writing about enhanced interrogation techniques under the Bush administration that produced "high-value information," you dolt.

1/26/2010 11:29:34 AM

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"bush could speak to 10 year olds without a teleprompter..."

he sure could. but history would show that while he does that he reads from a children's book upside down.


also i don't get all the shit about teleprompters. bush arguably should have used them more based on his bushisms. but many people and public speakers use them. obama largely writes his own speeches, which is a far more amazing and respectable feat than the average leader. i'm guessing all of you who are giving him shit for that never used note cards for clues during your speeches in school.

1/26/2010 11:30:39 AM

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"good job everyone on not getting all soapbox in the chit chat. well done and thank you"

A little premature

1/26/2010 11:32:27 AM

^^ Um. . .this guy, Jon Favreau, is director of speechwriting--I think he actually does most of it.



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1/26/2010 11:34:35 AM

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"i don't get all the shit about teleprompters. bush arguably should have used them more based on his bushisms"

seriously. people act like they would rather have Obama up there spouting stupid bullshit (ala Bush) instead of sounding like an educated adult.

1/26/2010 11:37:21 AM

They've already made up their minds before the important questions are asked.

The very definition of idiot.

1/26/2010 11:38:12 AM

I, too, can read from the teleprompter. Scotch!

1/26/2010 11:41:13 AM