I never understood the 'fun' of boating on a lake...other than skiing/wake boarding/tubing etc.

5/11/2010 10:19:05 AM

The debate is...


Should our lakes be privatized for the enjoyment of the homeowners around the lake (reduced traffic on the lake due to extra fines)?
-if you think so, then do not sign


or...


Should lakes be open and free to public for use for enjoyment of recreational purposes (boating, fishing, skiing, etc.)?
-if you think so, then sign





The proposed amount of fees or who has regulatory authority isnt the question here - you folks are stuck in the weeds.

5/11/2010 10:19:28 AM

blah blah blah

5/11/2010 10:20:32 AM

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"you folks are stuck in the weeds."

by all means, tow us out.

5/11/2010 10:20:34 AM

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"My money is on it being a bunch of retired yankees"

I'm a yankee and this sounds right. Anyway, just sign the petition or don't.

5/11/2010 10:20:44 AM

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"as was stated, the fees will not be used for increasing the care of the lake. But for a privatized police force for the homeowners. so yeah...why pay for something you as a public water boater will never get the benefit of?"

you know I don't take time to read anything... those are just my 2 possible stances on it based on what the reasoning behind it could be

5/11/2010 10:21:03 AM

^true dat

5/11/2010 10:21:19 AM

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"I never understood the 'fun' of boating on a lake...other than skiing/wake boarding/tubing etc."

Serious post:
Skiing
Wake boarding
tubing
fishing
going fast
sun bathing
closer than towing it to the coast

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 10:22 AM. Reason : Essentially the reasons you listed are the "fun"]

5/11/2010 10:21:44 AM

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"Serious post: Skiing Wake boarding tubing fishing going fast sun bathing closer than towing it to the coast"

I guess my experience of boating is much different.

5/11/2010 10:22:17 AM

Please to post them.

5/11/2010 10:22:37 AM

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"Please to post them."

My experience growing up of boating involved going out every weekend in the open sea to secluded desert islands. Where we'd spend the day grilling out, skiing, fishing, etc. Usually it would be a group of family friends, each family in their own boat.

These islands are completely deserted and tiny. Nothing man made existed on them and you could walk across them in an hour if that. The nice thing about it was they were a cluster of islands so where we setup camp was in a bay where its really calm...the other side of the island was facing the open sea so the currents were too strong to swim in.

There were also no regulations on boating, no registration, no boating license etc. Except of course universal boating codes, etc. (until the US Navy decided to spread 'freedom' to the region and regulate all that shit) which is when we stopped taking the boat out as much.

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 10:29 AM. Reason : .]

5/11/2010 10:27:17 AM

lol@glovoko. alkatraz never being on a boat. ahahahahha. that's like saying perez hilton has never sucked a dick.

5/11/2010 10:27:33 AM

lol@golovoko

right letters wrong order.

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 10:30 AM. Reason : dyslexia is a serious problem for some.]

5/11/2010 10:30:01 AM

you're not that important for me to care.

5/11/2010 10:30:20 AM

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"The debate is... Should our lakes be privatized for the enjoyment of the homeowners around the lake (reduced traffic on the lake due to extra fines)? -if you think so, then do not sign or... Should lakes be open and free to public for use for enjoyment of recreational purposes (boating, fishing, skiing, etc.)? -if you think so, then sign The proposed amount of fees or who has regulatory authority isnt the question here - you folks are stuck in the weeds."

But you say "our lakes", when I'm also being told that Duke Energy owns the land and the lake -- is this not the case? If I buy land in the middle of nowhere, build a lake on it, then sell some of the lake shore property to people, is it still my lake? Was it ever my lake? What if I allow the public to use the lake -- does that make it not my lake? When does privately owned land/water become "our lakes"? Whose lake is it?

5/11/2010 10:31:26 AM

^^I'm just trying to help. I imagine dyslexia can be rough sometimes.

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM. Reason : ^]

5/11/2010 10:31:42 AM

oh sure

5/11/2010 10:33:39 AM

^^^Duke energy owns the dam creating the lake and the property under the lake (and some around the lake) but they dont own the water in the lake (it fell from the sky). Water is public domain. The Catawba river was public property long before Duke was granted permission to build the lake.

To sweeten the deal in convincing FERC to license the lake Duke promised recreational opportunities for the public on the lake. They have done a pretty good job by allowing access points to the lakes and even donating Lake Norman State Park (maybe some others I don't know about).

So to some degree, yes, I would say its a public lake.

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 10:39 AM. Reason : ..]

5/11/2010 10:36:45 AM

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"Water is public domain"

Didn't the WTO privatize all water in 1999? (I don't agree with water privatization, but hasn't it already happened?)

Also, since Duke Energy owns the dam that makes the lake, could they just up and decide to level the dam? (In a mostly harmless way, if possible.)


It's sounding more like this is a public lake. (And even private lakes aren't entirely private.)

5/11/2010 10:45:35 AM

If the water is public and the land around it is private...why don't the owners just say, fine use the lake but you're going to have to jump OVER my land to get to it /troll

5/11/2010 10:48:58 AM

lol. can't deny access to public property or private property

5/11/2010 10:51:24 AM

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"Didn't the WTO privatize all water in 1999?"

I've never heard this before. I don't think its the case in the US. I do know that the WTO/IMF has had a pretty big hand in privatizing water in other countries.

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"Also, since Duke Energy owns the dam that makes the lake, could they just up and decide to level the dam? (In a mostly harmless way, if possible.)"

I suppose they could. Im not sure what the FERC license requires exactly. I do know that the licenses last for like 50 years, so there may be something in there that requires you to maintain the dam for that period.

It would be wierd if they did do this one day. Just a huge muddy wasteland with houses around the edge, would be kinda cool to see.

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"And even private lakes aren't entirely private"

But I think that private lakes are possible. I'm not sure about this but I know a lot of exemptions exist for things like farm ponds, etc.

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"I don't agree with water privatization"

I feel the same way.





let me qualify all this though. I'm not really an expert on water law, but it is one of my interests, so this is just my interpretation.

5/11/2010 11:02:12 AM

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"I never understood the 'fun' of boating on a lake"

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"My experience growing up of boating involved going out every weekend in the open sea to secluded desert islands."

Well, aren't you Mr. Smug. Maybe you should go out boating on a Lake. Personally, I like the coast more or at least rivers.

Keep in mind that people in the middle of the country can't get to the coast that easily and have just as much fun on the lake. Their experiences won't be a neat as yours, but they have fun too. The majority of people on the NC on the coast do the same things you do. They take the boat out to the outer banks and then grill out or camp or wakeboard or whatever.

^Inland waters regs and coastal waters regs vary.

[Edited on May 11, 2010 at 11:12 AM. Reason : -]

5/11/2010 11:09:18 AM

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"Well, maybe you should go out boating on a Lake."

I have...i just don't find it as enjoyable. I guess being out in the open sea as ruined it for me.

5/11/2010 11:12:04 AM

If you enjoy drinking in the sun, then you can enjoy lake life

5/11/2010 11:14:10 AM

you just need a big ol' johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2gIdMRwfuM

5/11/2010 12:12:25 PM

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"My experience growing up of boating involved going out every weekend in the open sea to secluded desert islands. Where we'd spend the day grilling out, skiing, fishing, etc. Usually it would be a group of family friends, each family in their own boat. These islands are completely deserted and tiny. Nothing man made existed on them and you could walk across them in an hour if that. The nice thing about it was they were a cluster of islands so where we setup camp was in a bay where its really calm...the other side of the island was facing the open sea so the currents were too strong to swim in."

That's not that different than my own experiences boating on inland waters. Last Saturday myself and a couple of friends took the boat to a small island about 6 miles from the house. The only man made structure on the island is a duck blind. I tied up with two other boats and we spent the afternoon listening to music, drinking, and hanging out in the sun. After a few hours we loaded two of the boats up and did some wake surfing. Then we hopped back on my boat and headed to a cookout at a friend's house for free grub. Made it home a little after dark and lit a bonfire in the front yard near the water. Through it all there was no salt spray covering our sunglasses, no jellyfishes to get stung by or stingrays to step on, and the boats didn't need to be flushed and hosed down when we were done.

The island I went to is small, but there are larger ones. There are more secluded islands that are a little harder to get to if that's your thing. It's about 35 miles from one dam to the other, so there is plenty of open water and hundreds of miles of shoreline to explore. The terrain changes from nearly flat coastal plain to having sheer faced cliffs from one end of the lake to the other.

And that's just one of the dozens of large lakes that are within driving distance from Raleigh. I can only imagine how much fun you could have exploring some of the big lakes in the mid-west and west coast. Lake Powell looks absolutely stunning from the pics I've seen.

5/11/2010 12:23:28 PM