I heard the North Korean government has 110% approval rate too

6/29/2022 6:05:08 PM

Look, back to the point, and I'm being completely serious here. My political strategy, which is shared with a hell of a lot of people, is to support progressive Democrats in any way possible, and organize for a better system outside of that.

It is UP TO YOU to get moderate Democrats elected, if you feel it is important. Do the work - don't expect the dispassionate to do it for you.

[Edited on June 29, 2022 at 6:09 PM. Reason : .]

6/29/2022 6:08:29 PM

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/25/pearl-has-lost-its-shine-shanghai-expats-eye-the-exit

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-03-06/bankers-are-abandoning-hong-kong-as-beijing-and-covid-remake-the-city

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/expats-flee-shanghais-covid-lockdown-drags-2022-04-28/

5 seconds of Googling (but in America where I don't need a VPN to access it)

6/29/2022 6:10:10 PM

If you were in a toss-up state, would you have voted for Trump or Biden/Clinton or third party

6/29/2022 6:13:06 PM

[Edited on June 29, 2022 at 6:16 PM. Reason : double post]

6/29/2022 6:13:38 PM

^^are you trying to tell me it's a bad thing that the rich expats and bankers are leaving? that, plus high approval among average people? sounds great.

^depending on how much of a swing state it was, prob would have voted clinton and biden

[Edited on June 29, 2022 at 6:17 PM. Reason : .]

6/29/2022 6:16:25 PM

No, I'm trying to tell you that China is still a repressive government with draconian policies that horrify people around the world, including its own citizens who cannot willingly speak out/assemble in the manner we can in the US. It's great that they've got infrastructure going for them, but so do other first world democracies with wider social safety nets than the shitty ones we have here.

6/29/2022 6:16:41 PM

oh well you're not doing a good job

6/29/2022 6:21:03 PM

Looks like Rose Twitter dipshits are gonna try to destroy NC Dems in 2022 because insinuating a massive Democrat conspiracy gets more clicks than accurately reporting the Green Party’s fraudulent ballot access efforts.

6/30/2022 3:44:36 PM

The main tweet that that set me off:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProudSocialist/status/1542541122802798592

6/30/2022 7:28:49 PM

I will happily vote for any ballot measure that eliminates first past the post style elections, I love the idea of ranked choice.

That said, in our current system, fuck this kind of shit.

6/30/2022 7:40:01 PM

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/01/blatantly-partisan-nc-green-party-candidate-slams-state-dems-denying-ballot-petition

Everyone laffed and laffed when all those GOP governor candidates in Michigan got booted from the ballot for fraud. A Green candidate gets caught and the story gets twisted into the above link?

So I’m not an avid common dreams reader, but some people are. I think it matters that the narrative crafted by this story is likely to cause some progressives to sit at home in November. It takes 15 paragraphs before the article really extensively covers the alleged fraud and quotes the News and Observer and the BOE officials. Instead it quotes the Carolina Journal for multiple paragraphs, strongly insinuating that Dem BOE officials just booted the Greens off the ballot without cause. Carolina Journal is essentially a media arm of the NC GOP.

So you have this staff writer in Portland, ME, probably never set foot in NC, repackaging GOP talking points so it can be laundered back out into various left wing social media spheres. The narrative among many well meaning progressives is the Democrat machine is as corrupt as the GOP and they don’t vote in November. The part that really irks me is I don’t believe most of the social media news personalities that spread these narratives are really that genuine, most are chasing social media clout and trying to monetize it, that’s it. They don’t care that our state is teetering on an abortion ban (3 seats in the house and 2 seats in the Senate away from a GOP veto proof majority? *shudder*) That every year we don’t expand Medicaid we are leaving billions of healthcare dollars on the table, etc etc.

I just think there is a lot at stake for people to be (dishonestly in my view) throwing these stories around.

7/2/2022 1:04:04 PM

This thread is weird, the Dem thread is (I thought anyway) about democratic elected leaders, candidates and party leaders.

This thread seems to be mostly about individual citizens and maybe media?

Also I don't think that Ryan Knight guy is a "progressive dem"? He's actively 3rd party and anti Democrat party.

7/2/2022 2:15:42 PM

And who do you think these people actively target? Progressives

And if you read the first post, it definitely includes 'voters'

[Edited on July 2, 2022 at 2:39 PM. Reason : A]

7/2/2022 2:37:52 PM

Yea i meant voters with "individual citizens"

7/2/2022 3:02:05 PM

have a feeling that dude has a certain tone whenever he says/types the word “Progressives”

could be wrong. just a hunch.

7/2/2022 5:26:30 PM

lol, we have a credibility watch for damn near every other group and various people, but suddenly we turn the spotlight on this group, it's an issue?

daave immediately just tries to turn it around and blames people who don't phone bank. He's just happy to point out that China has a way higher government approval rate (I wonder why?)

and you can't even admit that maybe, just maybe there's some truth all the reports, research, and data point to social media having a HUGE impact in 2016, certainly enough affect the results in 4 of the key states.


I love progressive ideas! Carbon tax! Clean Energy! Increase minimum wage! Increase taxes in the higher marginal tax rates including my own! Fuck yeah, lets do it.

However, the people who say shit like 'Let's impeach the justices on bullshit charges' or 'I'm not voting unless ALL my student loans are forgiven' don't help. Back in 2016 Progressives tried to say that Roe v Wade was a distraction, how'd that turn out?



[Edited on July 2, 2022 at 5:42 PM. Reason : a]

7/2/2022 5:36:28 PM

I've always viewed the Dem credibility watch as a "our leaders" watch, not the individual voters. I'm cool if it's supposed to be that just didn't know.

Feels like having a "fans credibility watch" in Sports Talk in a way.

Can't vote to have new voters unfortunately.

Quote :

"'Let's impeach the justices on bullshit charges"

Since AOC said that (I'm a way) I def consider it fair game

[Edited on July 2, 2022 at 5:53 PM. Reason : E]

7/2/2022 5:51:31 PM

Quote :

" lol, we have a credibility watch for damn near every other group"

not really

you could’ve just said that you disagreed with something AOC said, but instead you decided to start a thread about an entire voting bloc of people who actually show up and vote. kind of weird that she’s the one who set you off, tbh

Quote :

" and you can't even admit that maybe, just maybe there's some truth all the reports, research, and data point to social media having a HUGE impact in 2016, certainly enough affect the results in 4 of the key states."

you still could post links to said data

[Edited on July 2, 2022 at 6:03 PM. Reason : .]

7/2/2022 6:01:29 PM

Why would it be weird if it was AOC that set me off? She is one of the ones spouting the dumb idea of impeachment.

Guess what? She's a member of Congress and can introduce articles if she wants. What is she waiting for? Or maybe she's just doing what most politicians do, fishing for a soundbite and fundraising with it.

7/2/2022 10:18:39 PM

Seem to be putting a lot of blame on a group that has so little representation in government.

Democrats are just as responsible for our backsliding democracy. Little gets done when they hold power because they can’t upset their wealthy donors and spend too much time cutting deals with a party that doesn’t care about rules and norms and will do anything to win.

7/3/2022 2:22:49 PM

+1 for consistent pressure
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-01-26/progressives-ratchet-up-pressure-on-biden-to-cancel-student-loans

8/24/2022 11:28:13 PM

+1 for Fetterman and the overwhelming Dem young vote

11/9/2022 1:47:55 PM

love that dude and am looking forward to future candidates trying to co-opt his style

that’ll be good for some laughs

11/9/2022 1:54:23 PM

^^saw this earlier today
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/john-fetterman-struggle-mental-health-clinical-depression.html

https://12ft.io/proxy

And then this came up on reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/ilG895jELr
A Senator can't comply with basic airline rules

Just so sad for so many reasons

5/3/2025 12:07:23 AM

Something tells me tgl3 doesn't love fetterman as much as he did in late 2022

5/3/2025 1:41:36 AM

I certainly dont

5/3/2025 7:07:21 AM

I will give AOC a ton of credit for starting to play the game/refine her measaging

5/3/2025 4:23:01 PM

"My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement"

-Senator Fetterman

6/10/2025 10:02:14 PM

Is Fetterman condemning cops shooting reporters with rubber bullets, shooting folks in the head, trampling people with horses? What about sending American military against Americans? If not maybe he should stfu

Quote :

"You have no obligation to defend or explain the behavior of random street protesters. We have a lawless government that is flagrantly violating its legal, moral, even philosophical obligations to us. Everything else is secondary"

https://bsky.app/profile/internethippo.bsky.social/post/3lrc64vt2kk2o

Aoc:

Quote :

"It is 100% carrying water for the opposition to participate in this collective delusion that Dems for some reason need to answer for every teen who throws a rock rather than hold the Trump admin accountable for intentionally creating chaos and breaking the law to stoke violence. They are in charge. Everything was fine until Trump decided to unleash violent raids w/o grounds in elementary schools, shopping areas, & peaceful public spaces. ICE then illegally blocked Members of Congress entry into the facilities they are disappearing people into, escalating the situation. Let’s start there."

[Edited on June 10, 2025 at 10:11 PM. Reason : D]

6/10/2025 10:10:16 PM

Right now it seems like only AOC and Newsome know what the right things to say are

6/10/2025 10:26:46 PM

how about calling both wrong? doesn't seem like it should be that hard if a stupid idiot like me can figure it out.

just get it over with and say the teens who throw rocks are wrong and then get back to talking about how maga is wrong too? the reluctance to do so is exactly what fetterman is talking about. you lose all your credibility when you can't call out your "own" side too

6/10/2025 10:36:09 PM

^
Because no one is saying it’s right. Playing their game never wins.

6/10/2025 10:41:30 PM

^^I agree...i think the more left people would say why should dems be the grown ups in the room when the right is worse and won't call out their own

6/10/2025 10:42:21 PM

playing "we can't call out our own side bc it might give the opposition a talking point" IS playing their game. playing your own game should mean playing the game of doing what is RIGHT. and if your team is not doing what is RIGHT, then call them tf out. play the long game. regain trust with the american public. quit playing short term politics.

[Edited on June 10, 2025 at 10:46 PM. Reason : many would rather tell fetterman to stfu than to tell their own side to get their shit together]

6/10/2025 10:44:46 PM

Fetterman is SUPPOSED to be on my side.

Personally government deploying the marines to Americans cities is much more of a long term issue than some burned Waymos. So as AOC said, START there, then go off.

Critics of police, in all meaning of the word, always have to tie themselves in knots to prove they are against crime.

6/10/2025 11:13:44 PM

^^

Technically what is right IS throwing bricks at ICE. More people should be doing this if we are analyzing it from a morality and ethics POV

Politicians shouldn’t say this though, but they don’t have to focus on it to appease bad faith actors. AOC could break down in tears begging peoole not to throw rocks, and literally nothing will happen— Fox News makes fun of her, trump expands his plan for martial law, gop politicians will laugh at her pathetic supplication, it changes no one’s mind. What moves the needle is success, getting the troops out of the city, getting ice to stop acting like goons, getting more localities to stop cooperating with mass deportation, etc. adding friction to ICEs operations gets us closer to this goal.

Quote :

"agree...i think the more left people would say why should dems be the grown ups in the room when the right is worse and won't call out their own "

If there’s any molecule in your body that thinks republicans might be the grown up in the room Youve got serious issues. We’re well past waging that battle. We’re on to deep into Constitutional crisis trying to restore democracy.

[Edited on June 10, 2025 at 11:59 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2025 11:57:14 PM

Quote :

"Technically what is right IS throwing bricks at ICE. More people should be doing this if we are analyzing it from a morality and ethics POV"

Good luck in the wilderness while dems keep losing elections. Jesus Christ that is an absolutely insane take imo

Just noticed quoted part from me...how did what i say make you think that?

Dems: we are the grown ups

Also dems: throw more rocks at ICE

[Edited on June 11, 2025 at 12:23 AM. Reason : -]

6/11/2025 12:19:24 AM

Well the right's take is "that reporter deserved to be shot in the head with a rubber bullet for getting too close to the cops"

6/11/2025 12:39:11 AM

2 wrongs don't make a right.

6/11/2025 12:40:57 AM

^
Thats what makes a Constituonal crisis a crisis. If doing the right things resulted in good outcomes trump would never have been elected, especially after 1/6.

No one wants or likes a violent unstable society, but it’s what we have when the president is a fascist ignoring the Constituonal to impose martial law. Thats the reality we’re in. Pretending normal politics will work is just burying heads in the sand.

[Edited on June 11, 2025 at 12:47 AM. Reason : ]

6/11/2025 12:41:47 AM

Clearly normal politics hasn't really worked since 2016. Doesn't mean you "bury your head in the sand" if you decide to not get violent or break the law. Perhaps I am the outlier here. I hope not

6/11/2025 1:01:47 AM

You should act your conscience which for most people is not throwing rocks

But it’s normal given these conditions that otherwise good rational people throw rocks. If you don’t like this then convince the people sitting on the sidelines to support the mechanisms that might still exist to restore democracy through political means.

6/11/2025 1:18:48 AM

Tiny bit random, but I will say "violence is never the answer" is almost always a BS phrase, especially when said by politicians

6/11/2025 7:05:54 AM

Violence is never the answer. brb, gonna go do some drone strikes.

6/11/2025 7:21:27 AM

violent protests would be fine if they would target the right fuckin things

6/11/2025 8:13:26 AM

LOL!

6/11/2025 8:27:39 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/moiradonegan.bsky.social/post/3lrdjf33r422f

Quote :

" A sign of how fundamentally broken and inadequate to the moment our information and media ecosystem is when the president is deploying the military to crush protests against his mass kidnapping scheme, and the question is whether those who oppose it are being nice enough."

6/11/2025 10:13:37 AM

https://www.arxiv.org/pdf/2506.03443

6/11/2025 8:05:33 PM

Bluesky would be better if it had more right-wing shit-poster trolls to help balance things out.

6/11/2025 9:01:27 PM