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" We shouldn’t be supporting Nazi leaders especially during the rise of fascism"

10/31/2025 3:36:31 PM

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"and try to identity the "objective truth" and "neutral framing" as best as we can"

The problem is there is really no such thing with anything more complex than like "is the earth round?" There is no way for a human to write something without implicit bias and an AI is just pulling from human sources. Which is what Wikipedia does already btw. Also anyone paying any attention knows that Grok has been showing very open biases through its whole history and is run by a person that is very open about their own biases and wanting to shape the world through those biases. It's pretty hard to have hope about this project from that source.

Most people also express the healthy skepticism/grain of salt of Wiki that you express, I worry that folks will be more inclined to assign that "objective truth" to Grok bc it's AI, when in fact it will almost definitely be just as susceptible to the issues you attribute to wikipedia.

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"show the paper trail for how it arrived at its "objective truth""

Doesn't wikipedia also do this already? They link to primary sources allowing anyone to go a step deeper if they choose.

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"same reasons truth social is a cesspool"

And Twitter and Facebook and reddit. Social media is what you make it. Anything open to everyone risks being overwhelmed by the loudest voices, but most of these sites have fairly clear ways to setup your feed to filter out the nonsense.

10/31/2025 3:39:21 PM

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"and so muck it became"

10/31/2025 3:39:28 PM

At least TWW never became muck. Rather, the current embodiment of TWW evolved FROM the muck with which it began, like a phoenix rising -- from Arizona (Frank Costanza)!

10/31/2025 3:46:00 PM

we're muck too -- but that's ok the stakes were relatively low

[Edited on October 31, 2025 at 3:54 PM. Reason : but lol to phoenix rising. indeed the crazyweb shall rise AGAIN]

10/31/2025 3:53:47 PM

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/eaa9289c-04ed-4d4d-8991-2a8414ffc332

10/31/2025 5:53:26 PM

Grokipedia has no article on TheWolfWeb.

No credibility, and apparently no knowledge of the drama surrounding Tom Dollins and Henrico Flatchery.

10/31/2025 6:38:59 PM

[Edited on October 31, 2025 at 11:23 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2025 11:21:05 PM

Since we've been using this thread to discuss social media in general in some cases, found this interesting

https://maxread.substack.com/p/platform-temperance

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"The idea is that while message boards and blog comment sections--which host third-person speech but do nothing active to promote it--deserve Section 230 protection, platforms that use algorithmic recommendations (i.e. Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and X.com) are not simply “passively hosting content but actively recommending” it, an act that should be considered “first-person speech” and therefore subject to liability claims."

11/1/2025 10:22:00 AM

https://bsky.app/profile/rob-sheridan.com/post/3m4mo5xoj2s2q

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" The wonderful old-Twitter experience of a global group chat during a live event or breaking news is a thing you can't do on Threads bc of its trash algorithms and you can't do on X bc it's a Nazi propaganda weapon, but it's really happening on Bsky now and I hope more holdouts start to discover that"

Bluesky during a big game is delightful in the same way that Twitter once was

11/2/2025 1:44:19 AM

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" Elon Musk, "These lovely small towns in England, Scotland and Ireland, they've been living their lives quietly. They're like hobbits" "And so one day, 1,000 people show up in your village of 500 and start raping the kids" "This has now happened, God knows how many times in Britain" "

He’s Never beating the Nazi allegations

11/2/2025 8:55:00 PM

muck muck muck muck muck

11/2/2025 9:09:24 PM

Hide yo wife, hide yo kids

11/2/2025 9:56:11 PM

^^^I wonder who he believes himself to be in this LOTR allegory?

11/3/2025 6:48:47 AM

https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/elon-musk-fake-wikipedia-grokipedia-21131512.php

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" I tried Elon Musk's Wikipedia clone and boy is it racist SFGATE columnist Drew Magary tested out Grokipedia and has some notes"

11/3/2025 11:53:36 AM

^
So they don’t have audit trails on changes and they don’t let users make contributions yet

This is just Elon musks personal Nazi encyclopedia at this point

11/3/2025 12:23:58 PM

Where are we arguing about Bluesky? Bc one great thing Bsky seems to have that I haven't seen on Twitter is play by play and jokes on the guy charged with assault for throwing a sandwich

11/5/2025 8:47:23 PM

are we still pretending like Threads is the next big thing?

11/5/2025 9:55:37 PM

https://news.sky.com/story/the-x-effect-how-elon-musk-is-boosting-the-british-right-13464487


(also I wasn't aware of the sink thing and I guess I should have expected he would use "Let that sink in" instead of something like "throwing out everything but the kitchen sink" or some other phrase rhat actually involves a sink)

11/6/2025 9:56:31 AM

I’d like to go on the record by saying empathy is good and only psychopaths think it’s not

11/6/2025 7:15:57 PM

we know

11/6/2025 7:22:42 PM

there is no amount of youtube videos that would radicalize me into thinking that empathy is bad

11/6/2025 7:39:54 PM

you're missing a key component of the concept.

bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuit is good right? how could anybody ever be against bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuits!?

well we're not talking about bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuits. we're talking about suicidal bojangles bacon and egg cheese biscuits. big difference. looks the same you might think! but they are not. well what's the difference you ask? that's the part where you have to let yourself get radicalized by something other than a headline. dig deeper habibi

11/6/2025 7:45:33 PM

wonder why the makers of that video felt the need to use as much stock footage as they did as opposed to just video of dude making his case against empathy?

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" you're missing a key component of the concept. bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuit is good right? how could anybody ever be against bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuits!? well we're not talking about bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuits. we're talking about suicidal bojangles bacon and egg cheese biscuits. big difference. looks the same you might think! but they are not. well what's the difference you ask? that's the part where you have to let yourself get radicalized by something other than a headline. dig deeper habibi"

what even is this?

[Edited on November 6, 2025 at 8:15 PM. Reason : .]

11/6/2025 8:14:02 PM

because it's more effective at radicalizing people is my guess

[Edited on November 6, 2025 at 8:17 PM. Reason : I prefer the talking head approach myself but I prioritize authenticity over effectiveness]

[Edited on November 6, 2025 at 8:21 PM. Reason : daddy chill ]

11/6/2025 8:17:11 PM

^^^^^

Musk’s rationale for being against empathy is not the same as that guy’s

Empathy is a tool to heuristically get rubes to do the right thing

Inclusiveness and multiculturalism has nothing to do with empathy, these things are intrinsically valuable to the optimal functioning of humanity, and musk is against them (as he’s a Nazi).

11/6/2025 9:34:33 PM

you guys are a lost cause frankly. zero reading comprehension, zero critical thinking, zero curiosity. it's all narrative and tribalism. RIP.

11/6/2025 10:02:48 PM

just did a surface-level search into the outfit that put out that video:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Templeton_Foundation

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"Climate change denial Drexel University sociologist Robert Brulle listed the foundation as among the largest financial contributors to the climate change denial movement between 2003 and 2010."

11/6/2025 10:06:15 PM

I’m scratching my head about the Bojangles biscuits. Not to be crass but it’s the kind of slop my friend who did too much LSD started writing.

11/6/2025 10:32:58 PM

One time my Bojangles breakfast committed suicide right in front of me and I had to go hungry the rest of the wek. I go to Hardee's now.

11/6/2025 10:36:18 PM

Boston university has built a death tracker from Elon musk the nazi’s USAID cuts and we’re already up to 400,000 people dead, most of them children

https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2025/tracking-anticipated-deaths-from-usaid-funding-cuts/

New Yorker has a profile of people directly affected by

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary/the-shutdown-of-usaid-has-already-killed-hundreds-of-thousands

11/7/2025 12:40:02 AM

Idc if you call it socialism, communist...whatever. There are quantities too large for one person to have. I'd put the cap at like 10 billion. Prorated down from there to people at about 5 million?

3 million to 5 million stay the same

1 mil to 3 mil prorated up like 5%

0-1 mil up by whatever percentage the remainder of the excess past 10 billion for individuals plus whatever savings on prorated down people, divided by number of citizens below 1 million. I am hoping for like 40% for each of those people, prorated up. That math might not work but I bet it isn't too far off, etc etc. The point is, the better off are not shouldering their fair share of pain. And something's got to give

The rich people that are carrying the economy right now don't realize how good they have it. And don't realize how good they'd still have it with changes like this. Imo

11/7/2025 12:55:19 AM

^ So you trade one case where people buy a product and shareholders buy/vote on stock which pumps up the net worth and control. In this system they are ostensibly accountable to the consumer public, share holders, and board. Control is somewhat decentralized. As we have seen, Elon despite his wealth and influence got cucked harder than probably anyone in politics ever and he's back to selling cars. Clearly just wealth is not sufficient for true power.

Why switch to a system with opaque control which is centralized and accountable to whom??? What stops the people in control from rug pulling the public and keeping all the spoils for themselves? Who watches the watchers?!

11/7/2025 10:01:19 AM

https://www.theringer.com/2025/11/11/tech/elon-musk-trillionaire-pay-package-requirements-details-tesla

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" Why Elon Musk Got the Most Ridiculous Pay Package in the History of Humanity Did Tesla just make Musk the world’s first trillionaire? Almost certainly not. But that’s not what his colossal new deal is really about."

11/11/2025 10:17:35 AM