REDICULOUS DAY!
LET IT BE HEARD AND LET THE VOICES RING THROUGH THE VALLIES AND THE MOUNTAINTOPS

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM. Reason : damn, page 3? srsly?]

2/21/2008 12:30:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AalXl2dc0Kk

2/21/2008 12:30:55 PM

well then let me clear it up for you all

i was not trying to tell him to act christian, its fine for people to stand up for what they believe but going out of your way and being rude is not.

whether u think it was being rude or not, others believed u were.

and until u get every person in the thread to say they disagreed with me, your just as wrong as i am in implying that some people did agree with me

2/21/2008 12:36:57 PM

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"If the topic of religion comes up in conversation I do mention that I am an atheist if it is applicable to the conversation (I don't go out of my way to do it though). "

I usually try to avoid mentioning I'm an atheist if I'm not asked IRL

2/21/2008 1:05:19 PM

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" and until u get every person in the thread to say they disagreed with me, your just as wrong as i am in implying that some people did agree with me "

Actually, the burden of proof lies on you. Don't be retarded.

2/21/2008 1:06:33 PM

I keep my beliefs to myself in 99% of social situations.

2/21/2008 1:08:18 PM

yeah i would lose friends if i opened my mouth.

2/21/2008 1:14:11 PM

I don't like talking about my religious positions most of the time. but i've said it before... I do feel genuinely awkward when people say 'bless you' or especially 'god bless you' when i sneeze.

I don't like people to ask me to pray for them. I feel its odd practice to go around asking god for favors for other people.

The term "god bless you" implies something about someone else that you don't know to be true, it's just likely to be true. It's a little presumptuous.

Like someone said... "God will find a way" and "God works in mysterious ways" are the types of phrases that are the most uncomfortable, and I really would appreciate it if you didn't say them to me. I also don't like to be asked to pray for something, when I feel that even if i were a christian, I wouldn't want to do it.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM. Reason : also, how manay pages did this take to get to shit storm status? 2.2?]

2/21/2008 1:17:33 PM

I don't see the big deal with the guy saying "I don't pray, but best wishes"

what really pissed me off was the guy who said "I'm not going to pray for him [because he is an animal]" Don't reply then if you aren't even going to say that you wish him well.

I'm a Christian, btw.

2/21/2008 1:20:02 PM

uh, wat

i'm sorry. why should i pray for a soulless creature?

2/21/2008 1:21:18 PM

i dnt think anyone really has a problem with it besides datman

2/21/2008 1:21:40 PM

^^ Dude we covered this already

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"god takes all the prayers puts them in a hat, and pulls out miracles--more prayers = better odds"

2/21/2008 1:22:14 PM

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"its not about being christian, its about doing the right thing"

And the right thing to do is complicitly lie and say "yeah, I'll pray for you" even when he won't?

You have a really weird sense of truth for a Christian. When the truth isn't "the right thing," then I don't know what is.

He didn't even give you a lecture on how you should get rid of your religion altogether (as some Christians would try to convert atheists), yet you went off on him anyway. Nice work.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 1:22:14 PM

nah, that's pretty much the norm for Christian

2/21/2008 1:22:40 PM

datman:

in the comment that this thread is referring to, didn't the person say "i don't pray" and not "i am an atheist, so i don't pray"? didn't the person leave out their religious affiliation?

regardless, your response to them and this thread is superfluous and rudely unnecessary. we live in a country where we're free to express our viewpoints on the subject and if someone asks you to pray for something, it's perfectly acceptable to decline but still wish it well.

2/21/2008 1:23:24 PM

my dog has more of a soul than a good amount of people I encounter everyday.

2/21/2008 1:24:01 PM

hell if i'm going to say i'll pray for you/your grandma/your dog if i don't pray otherwise. that's stupid.

and if i did pray, i would pray for someone's dog b/c if that dog dies it would cause pain/grief/suffering to the owner...and i would not want that to happen. therefore by praying for the dog's recovery you may help the owner avoid the pain of loss.

duuurrrrr not that hard to figure out

2/21/2008 1:26:54 PM

the entire thing is just stupid

im not going to be mean to someone or rude to them unless i feel they are doing the same.

yes i had a problem with both of them, not because im a christian but its about how he did it.

if it was a discussion like this, i have no problem with someone saying, i dont believe in it.
the only thing i objected to was, there was no reason for him to be an ass and go out of his way to say i dont pray

it wasnt a discussion about him or his beliefs, if he doesnt pray, y join in and be the odd man out.
its like going to a church just to see whats going on, and then when its time to pray, you say fuck that.

u dont do that

like ur mom always said, if u have nothing nice to say, stfu

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 1:30 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 1:29:11 PM

you are kinda dumb

2/21/2008 1:32:05 PM

you're the one who put him in an awkward place to begin with by bringing up religion

then you rail against him for wishing you well

I'm gonna put this in religious terms for a second, so you understand this: Jesus Christ, you're a douchebag.

2/21/2008 1:33:43 PM

^lol, nicely done

yea, i did put him in that position but he opened the door

ill admit its my fault for the whole view, nonetheless, some people take offense to the fact that things are said when not needed

such as this thread, many of you took offense to it and tried to rail me

i tried to rail him because i took offense


i may be dumb but so is everyone else here.......its TWW, of course we are dumb

2/21/2008 1:36:24 PM

i'd like to think im not dumb

2/21/2008 1:39:29 PM

well your not in some cases, others you are

everyone is that way



even crackheads are smart in the fact of how to smoke crack

2/21/2008 1:40:19 PM

Yeah, datman is a retard.

Chembob shouldn't have even responded in that thread, but from a theological stand he's correct. According to most christian theologians (you'd be hard pressed to find one that disagreed) animals do not have souls.

2/21/2008 1:41:40 PM

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"some people take offense to the fact that things are said when not needed"

Like, "PLEASE PRAY FOR ME!" for example

2/21/2008 1:42:46 PM

^Which means they don't go to heaven, not that you can't pray for/about them.

Right?

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 1:43:02 PM

I was seriously expecting one of the first 5 post to be something along the lines of FUCK YOUR DOG NIGGA, so I am impressed.

2/21/2008 1:43:50 PM

yea, thats him asking for prayers

doesnt mean u have to say fuck you i dont pray or say ok

you can ignore it, be an ass, or say ok


as far as christianity goes and animals, id have to say your right

but not all christians believe the same thing
there are many different groups of christians with different beliefs and id say most of christians dont believe everything that their group believes in. like my grandma goes to a baptist church but didnt realize they believe in some things. if you categorized her, she would be actually a mormon

like i said, believe what you want, i dont give a shit
just dont be an ass to others

2/21/2008 1:45:46 PM

he didn't say "fuck you, man, I ain't praying for shit!"

HE WISHED YOU WELL

you're blowing this WAY out of proportion so you can feel justified in your bitch-out

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 1:47 PM. Reason : "ignoring" what you said to him would be even ruder]

2/21/2008 1:47:05 PM

but ur missing the fact that it was rude and out of the way for him to say i dont pray. if he doesnt pray, y say that


yea im sure he didnt think anything of it but thats beside the point

i may make a joke about woman and some girl takes a huge offense to it and im just like, im sry i didnt think anything of it. its still rude because i didnt consider she would take offense to it


i dont care if you say im retarded, im smarter than a lot of you
but just as dumb as others

my intelligence is not on trial here

whats being discussed is whether or not it was rude of him to go out of his way to say i dont pray
when it was never a discussion whether he did or what his religion was. he voluntarily came in and made an ass move. if i cant bust him for doing that, you cant say shit to me about making this thread

i dont have to justify my bitching at him about, with this thread im justifying that regardless of your beliefs on religion, there are a time and place for discussing them and you should still try and be nice and not act like a total douche bag, which he did and then subsequently i did

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 1:52:59 PM

I CAN'T HONESTLY SAY I AM PRAYING FOR YOU , BUT I MADE THE EFFORT TO COME IN HERE AND POST MY GOOD WILL TOWARDS YOU, I AM SUCH AN ASSHOLE!

2/21/2008 1:55:53 PM

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"but ur missing the fact that it was rude and out of the way for him to say i dont pray. if he doesnt pray, y say that"

Because he doesn't pray! Imagine! He said something relevant to what was said in the first place, in response to asking for prayers!

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"yea im sure he didnt think anything of it but thats beside the point i may make a joke about woman and some girl takes a huge offense to it and im just like, im sry i didnt think anything of it. its still rude because i didnt consider she would take offense to it"

No, the entire point is that he meant no harm, only good will and you crucified him. Surely you don't think you should be held accountable for (what you see as) a mistake in speaking if you only meant well.

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"i dont care if you say im retarded, im smarter than a lot of you but just as dumb as others my intelligence is not on trial here"

I didn't call you dumb, I called you a douchebag.

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"whats being discussed is whether or not it was rude of him to go out of his way to say i dont pray when it was never a discussion whether he did or what his religion was. he voluntarily came in and made an ass move. if i cant bust him for doing that, you cant say shit to me about making this thread"

Nobody agrees with you that it was a shitty thing to say. Quit having a hissy fit.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 2:17 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2008 1:56:22 PM

I still say "bless you" when people sneeze but it's more force of habit rather than the literal meaning I guess

2/21/2008 1:56:48 PM

^^Oh that was me who called datman dumb and I stand by my statement.

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 1:58 PM. Reason : vbfx]

2/21/2008 1:57:53 PM

Carry on.

2/21/2008 1:58:43 PM

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"This might seem like a dumb question....but does this nice Baptist boy realize you're wiccan or what it even means to be wiccan?? I think its hilarious that you're using the fact that he is baptist as an excuse not to go to a Catholic church, but he seems to be ok with the whole wiccan thing."

This is what happens when I go play FFXII for three hours.
Yes, my boyfriend knows and accepts that I'm Wiccan. He, honestly, doesn't attend Baptist church outside of holidays, and even then, rarely. But, he finds personal comfort in his faith, and I can't fault him for it, just like he knows my faith brings me comfort. And, since neither one of us has a problem with how the other expresses our faith, it's not really a problem.
But my family has been Catholic for generations, and even though a good number of my personal generation of the family are veering away from that, we play nice around grandma, not because she wouldn't like it, but because she honestly wouldn't get it. A couple of those of marrying age have married to outside faiths, but none have said, "I'm not Catholic any more."
Like my Mom. She has little to no faith, because of growing up in Catholic schools, and her hard sciences background makes her blow off most of the Catholic doctrine as ridiculous. But, when she visits, she takes the one hour of preaching to make sure her parents are happy.

2/21/2008 2:00:10 PM

Why bother putting on the facade?

2/21/2008 2:02:27 PM

yea, i was rude and wrong in calling him out

but it was still the wrong place to make that statement, if he meant good will

there was no reason to say i dont pray, because that makes it seem as you dont care and just making a point to say watever you want


yes i called him out

wtf are you gonna do about it

2/21/2008 2:04:30 PM

I will pray for you

2/21/2008 2:05:36 PM

^^nothing, except call you out on your unnecessary douchebaggery

my work here is done

2/21/2008 2:06:46 PM

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"WHO NEEDS DEFENSE"

2/21/2008 2:07:14 PM

your dog in 1 week:

2/21/2008 2:07:19 PM

So, datman, by your logic, if someone made a thread called "My dog might die" and someone else posted, "Sorry to hear that. I'll pray for you/him"

you would flip out and say that's rude and obnoxious?

2/21/2008 2:08:24 PM

^ OMG TOTALLY THAT IS SO OBNOXIOUS HOW DARE HE USE THAT TO PUT FORWARD HIS RELIGION

lawl

2/21/2008 2:09:01 PM

Hello?

2/21/2008 2:17:36 PM

On the topic of religion, perhaps someone that knows more about the topic can answer a question about the Church of Satan... so since Satan is an actual Christian figure and stuff, does Satanism actually count as a form of Christianity? Are Satanists just like "Yeah I believe God and Jesus exists, but I like Satan better" ?

2/21/2008 2:21:24 PM

What would datman do?

2/21/2008 2:24:42 PM

a lot of people apparently use the term "reverse christians" when referring to satanists. at least enough to get the term in toseveral wikipedia articles

[Edited on February 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM. Reason : edit]

2/21/2008 2:29:19 PM

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"Currently Online? : No"

I wanted an answer

2/21/2008 2:34:24 PM

When someone sneezes I say "Shut up"

2/21/2008 2:48:46 PM