blame the insurance agencies for that ^

7/27/2008 10:18:38 PM

I'm sorry to hear about that.

I'm getting a kick out of everyone on here who thinks health insurance is just soooooo easy to have.

Whatever happens with your family I'm sure it will turn out for the best, but I am sorry for your loss!

7/27/2008 10:19:29 PM

You really never know.

I have been to the ER without insurance before and received impeccable care regardless of my so-called ability to pay. (I paid off thousands of dollars in ER expenses on a payment plan.)

I have also been to the ER with insurance. With insurance, they came to us AS our son was HAVING A SEIZURE and asked for us to pay our deductible. Literally, as my six day old baby lay there convulsing, they had the nerve to ask for our debit card.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2008 10:21:27 PM

ERs just suck regardless of insurance.

Anytime I go there I wait for FOREVER. I also see people there with serious problems waiting for forever. It's horrible.

I mean I know you can't control who comes into the ER but seriously, I think that health services could use a little help. I don't know what it would take, and I'm sure it would be very hard to do anything major to help health care in our country. I just like to dream. In my world everyone would get the medical attention they need when they need it regardless of the money they have.
But in my world Hanson would be everyone's favorite band too.

7/27/2008 10:27:23 PM

if you want to know what would help the health industry it would be for medicare and insurance companies to have to pay the full fucking price, every fucking time. then the costs would go down massively for average joe

7/27/2008 10:29:10 PM

Obama 2008

7/27/2008 10:29:54 PM

haha. he'll make it WORSE

7/27/2008 10:34:01 PM

like it can get any worse?

7/27/2008 10:34:39 PM

i work in the hospital industry. medicare and medicaid typically pay only about 80% of cost (not charges). that's bullshit. private insurance payors usually pay a higher percentage of costs, and this will only increase (raising premiums for insured) as medicare and medicaid reimbursement decreases, while uninsured increases. the whole thing needs to be fixed.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 10:36 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/27/2008 10:35:32 PM

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"wait, so you think the hospital should give their services out for free"

7/27/2008 10:35:43 PM

oh, it can get worse, eric. and hopes and dreams aint gonna fix anything

7/27/2008 10:39:29 PM

I don't think health care should give their services for free. Everyone needs a way to make a living. However,I think that it's possible that someone in this food chain is getting paid more than they need to be paid so that people who are forced to buy their insurance privately have a harder time affording it.

7/27/2008 10:40:44 PM

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"i'm hoping the sue them out of business. literally."

Haha. You realize if this wasn't the attitude of most people then costs wouldn't be so high?

7/27/2008 10:40:51 PM

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"i work in the hospital industry. medicare and medicaid typically pay only about 80% of cost (not charges). that's bullshit. private insurance usually payors pay a higher percentage of costs, and this will only increase (raising premiums for insured) as medicare and medicaid reimbursement decreases, while uninsured increases. the whole thing needs to be fixed."

nope insurances base what they pay on the rate medicaid, medicare pays for services. soooo since they recently cut thiers, all the health insurances are not paying as much. trust me I have to listen to a doctor biyach about this ALL the time. He is going to retire soon b/c the healthcare system is so screwed up.


p.s. this is why the goverment should have not taken over jobs the church was good at -such as taking care of the poor (welfare) and the sick (hospitals) well not all hopsitals but it would be nice to have one for people that don't have health insurance. (but then I am dreaming, it is not feasable)

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 10:44 PM. Reason : forgot about that]

7/27/2008 10:41:14 PM

nobody is advocating that it should have been free.

but the hospital should have given him every reasonable treatment, and billed him to pay at a later date, regardless of the expense OR his insurance status.

7/27/2008 10:42:06 PM

and who is saying that they didn't do that?

7/27/2008 10:52:57 PM

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"one of my cousins when to the hospital the other day complaining of chest pain, and for whatever reason he could not pass urine, so they put a catheter on him, told him his chest pains were probably gas, and sent him home becasue he had no insurance. the next day he dropped dead at home from a ruptured aorta. he was 22 years of age."

the original post of the thread.

7/27/2008 10:54:57 PM

I think seedless is presuming that they sent him home because he had no insurance. more than likely, they sent him home because they couldn't find anything wrong. you know, the same as others in this thread have posited.

7/27/2008 10:57:26 PM

you have to be a really dumb doc to get CHEST pains mixed up with gas. I'm going with bad doctor.

7/27/2008 11:01:17 PM

I think they try to put you through all these unnecessary tests regardless of whether or not you have insurance. It's always been like that every time I've gone...

7/27/2008 11:02:11 PM

"more than likely" doesn't hold much water when a 22 year old kid is dead. The fact should, and probably will, come out.

and yet you take the whole thing and misconstrue that to believe that it comes down to a question of socialized medicine.

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"...you think the hospital should give their services out for free, just cause he's your cousin? fuck you for driving the costs up for the rest of us."

nobody said that. fuck YOU for "positing" that.

7/27/2008 11:03:04 PM

dude, this guy's cousin just died. Don't give him shit over this. He's upset, give him a break.

7/27/2008 11:04:48 PM

well, given that he is pissed off that the hospital didn't "do more," i'd say it is a fair thing to say that he is expecting some sort of free service.

and, btw, are you a doctor? If not, then don't presume to know what is "dumb" for a doctor to do. thank you.

7/27/2008 11:06:16 PM

i wasn't talking about physician reimbursement. i was referring to hospital reimbursement, they are different. insurance companies negotiate their rates with each hospital/health system individually.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 11:06 PM. Reason : to G.O.D.]

7/27/2008 11:06:19 PM

why don't teachers get paid more?

7/27/2008 11:09:21 PM

Medical, no.... but a Doctor of Law in 12 months... and there's a strong possibility that i'll be going into negligence law.

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"well, given that he is pissed off that the hospital didn't "do more," i'd say it is a fair thing to say that he is expecting some sort of free service."

no that's completely unfair. "doing more" does not logically lead to cost. in fact, it implies service.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 11:11 PM. Reason : k]

7/27/2008 11:10:04 PM

dude, you are wasting your time. these kids don't understand nothing but what they think is right.

7/27/2008 11:11:29 PM

well sharing a beef with the doctors when they really did what they could under the circumstances is somewhat lame

but being assholes to the guy cause of some political motivation is also lame


either way this thread in general was poor judgment

7/27/2008 11:11:53 PM

i know man.

and i haven't said it yet


but i'm really sorry this all happened.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 11:13 PM. Reason : with that, i'm done with it.]

7/27/2008 11:12:21 PM

I will give you the official Cardiologist's opinion since we got to go his house to watch venture bros.
Once again Seedless I will pray for your family, it is very hard to lose someone so young.

7/27/2008 11:14:29 PM

seedless untimely loss, hope you found some peace. hearing stories like this make me question my own heart and sometimes i will get faint.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 11:19 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2008 11:18:14 PM

Sorry about your cousin.

I had smthg like that happen to me one time in high school. I woke up in the morning very short of breath and every time I tried to breath in...it really hurt at the top of my chest...so i couldn't take a full breath. We called the ambulance, and about 5 minutes after they got there it got better. They said it was gas. Fucking hell...I never knew it would be that bad.

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"i work in the hospital industry. medicare and medicaid typically pay only about 80% of cost (not charges)."

Medicaid should pay just about 100% depending on the person's age. If they are above 18 they may have a small $3 copay. Medicare A/B is usually the 80/20 where the person has to pay 20% out of pocket and Medicare takes care of the rest.

[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 11:51 PM. Reason : quote]

7/27/2008 11:48:59 PM

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"^^ is eleusis your baby's daddy? if not, then i am pretty sure he wasn't talking about your kid "

I doubt he was talking to me, seeing as I don't have any kids.

7/28/2008 8:34:43 AM

interesting. well if he really was talking about bottombaby's then I completely take back everything i said defending him.

7/28/2008 8:36:24 AM

i said that i wasn't going to post here anymore, but for the record i was not talking about her baby. why would i do that? i was just talking smack to you, like you asked me was my cousin a coke head. thats all. in fact i am not even mad at any asshole in this thread anymore. anyway have a good day to all and thanks everyone again.

7/28/2008 8:38:36 AM

I am truly sorry for your loss.

RIP

7/28/2008 8:42:56 AM

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"I can afford health insurance, so I refuse to see how anyone else could not afford it. Especially since I've had it so rough and all my cokehead friends don't have insurance."

7/28/2008 9:48:07 AM

I'm really sorry for your loss.

But did you expect anything less by posting it in Chit Chat?

7/28/2008 10:00:48 AM

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"I'm really sorry for your loss. But did you expect anything less by posting it in Chit Chat?"

7/28/2008 11:56:49 AM

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"i was just talking smack to you, like you asked me was my cousin a coke head."

that's not talking smack. cocaine abuse has caused documented cases of ruptured aortas in otherwise healthy individuals, so I was wondering if that may have been a contributing factor. It's not like you have to say on here one way or another, but it will make a huge difference in any legal action your family decides to take.

7/28/2008 1:00:26 PM

sorry to hear that man

7/28/2008 1:02:21 PM