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9/29/2009 9:57:13 AM

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" I want to know where are those from page one specifically bmel and Samwise16 (sam you know i but you did just condemn these boys out of no where) to recant their statements now that there is video evidence indicating otherwise. it sounds to me if this were a trial you would still vote guilty for these fellows even though the majority of evidence suggests otherwise. continuing to defend her in light of this makes it seem as if you have a gender axe to grind and can't bring yourself to say the guys could be the victim. Also that link you posted in regards to the video actually did acquit the son of rape. It looked consensual because it was consensual. the father had sex with her too and that is why he was being charged for rape. in this case it sounds more like false accusations towards the boy. furthermore, yes, most definitely, this woman should serve half the sentence that one of these male victims would have served as well as be sued for defamation of character. It sounds like a girl who got too drunk and did something she regretted. once someone she knew found out it was a black guy and hispanic gang bang the story became rape. (see i can hypothesize the worse aspects of someone's nature too) Sadly, just as people being intimidated into denouncing their allegations this same scenario happens more than you would think, especially once it crosses racial lines. this entire thread is further evidence of the sexist misandric nature that is ever so present in our culture. if a woman is a victim it is poor her and what about her feelings, but if a guy is a victim he is expected to tough it out. if a guy makes a false accusation we're supposed to throw the book at him but if a woman does so its "but but but some women really are raped so shes still the victim here". thats crap. hold both genders to equal standards. "

9/29/2009 10:05:27 AM

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"Rice added that filing criminal charges might have made any future false accuser reluctant to recant and tell the truth, possibly leading to an innocent person serving a lengthy prison sentence."

That's fucking bullshit.

How about:

Filing criminal charges against her would have made any future false accuser THINK TWICE about accusing a man falsely.



She has all but ruined the lives of 5 guys, and she gets to walk free, just to do some community service and partake in psychiatric sessions.

That's just a failure of the 'justice' system right there.

P.S. Yes, I agree with the DA that she is a troubled woman who needs help. But she isn't legally insane. Make her do the soft punishments she has been give now, and after that, JAIL THAT BITCH'S ASS.


[Edited on September 29, 2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ]

9/29/2009 10:31:56 AM

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"this woman should serve half the sentence that one of these male victims would have served as well as be sued for defamation of character."

she can still be sued in civil court. a good lawyer could probably get tens of millions.

of course, she probably aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out.

9/29/2009 12:02:39 PM

False rape accusations are extremely rare, and it's much better to make the environment as encouraging as possible for rape victims to confront their attackers. Bringing the hammer down upon someone who makes a false accusation will only make rape victims that much less likely to contact the police after they've been attacked. "What if no one believes me?" they'll wonder. "What if he's found not guilty, will I go to jail?" they'll wonder.

9/29/2009 12:38:57 PM

^I am curious as to how you know false accusations are rare? How would one even measure this?

9/29/2009 5:18:07 PM

^^they should have to wonder that because otherwise there is a system in place where a girl can all too easily falsely accuse someone and ruin their life.


^ they don't, they're just assuming.

9/30/2009 9:55:41 AM

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"I find it incredibly ironic that I, of all users on this site, am the one person in this thread defending rape victims."

you're being an idiot and not actually supporting any of your claims. when you challenge someone to bring evidence of what you claim is false, you backpedal, that's just silly.

are you really serious about supporting rape victims? then advocate for them to your lawmakers. i'm pretty sure if your support ends at this website, then the victims probably don't want you anymore than the girl who you spied on with the webcam.

[Edited on September 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM. Reason : d]

9/30/2009 12:24:33 PM

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"I am curious as to how you know false accusations are rare? How would one even measure this?"

It's very difficult, but some statistics put it around 2%, with other news organizations refuting such claims (do a search for those).

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"they should have to wonder that because otherwise there is a system in place where a girl can all too easily falsely accuse someone and ruin their life."

And currently, through intimidation and general misogynistic views in law and justice, there's a system in place where women are too afraid to report, confront, and see their attackers in a court case.

9/30/2009 12:27:31 PM

What general misogynistic views in law and justice? I think most of the time, there is an outpouring of sympathy and rush to put the accused into jail, no?

9/30/2009 12:32:32 PM

exactly.

the law is overwhelmingly misandric in most cases, at that.

9/30/2009 12:49:30 PM

60% of sexual assault cases are not reported to the police.

And only about 6% of rapists will spend anytime in jail.

http://www.rainn.org/statistics



[Edited on September 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM. Reason : These numbers came from the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network]

9/30/2009 12:53:38 PM

what is most important and what i have the biggest issue the way this group slants and manipulates the facts to support an agenda. Look at the last line in this image

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"factoring in unreported rapes, about 6% of all rapists will ever spend a day in jail."

This group is automatically suggesting that anyone charged with rape is a rapist. This is part of the mentality that is in this thread and a fine example of why it is such a horrible experience to be falsely accused. The girl in question is video taped yet the assumption of many people here is those guys still raped her.

Accused rapists are perceived as guilty until proven innocent and even with proof that is nearly irrefutable the guilt still lingers. this illustrates a cultural bias that is the same level of bigotry as assuming someone on trial did <insert crime here> because they're black. Its disgusting. Its wrong. The irony being that the people arguing for one groups rights to be defended and voices heard are the most instrumental in stiffling the rights and voices of another group, thus making them oppressors.

Based on their conclusion the motive behind the data is certainly in question, and some items need to be addressed.

*I find it hard to quantify what percentage of sexual assaults are or are not reported to the police because if they are not reported then there is no concrete statistic available on the subject at hand. It would appear any number suggested is contrived to best fit a hypothesis.

*Secondly, and most importantly, these numbers are for all rape. This includes consensual rape, meaning statutory and other such instances of 'rape' where there is a person labeled as an offender. If it is consensual, for many cases, I do not believe the person at hand should be arrested. Furthermore this statistic does nothing to counter the point that people, such as the girl this thread is based around, lie and have a story that doesn't hold up. Facts have to be sorted out and weighed. Demanding a high arrest rate for rape sounds good in theory but isn't at all practical or necessarily reasonable.

*There is an 80% chance of prosecution. This is a surprisingly high rate of prosecution. I checked the FBI bureau of statistics because the value seemed high to me and found that in 2004 of the 13 million people arrested only 85% went to prosecution. This number excludes traffic violations. 80% is quite reasonable.

*The rate of conviction at 60% is admittedly low, given that other serious crimes such as murder have an 80% chance of conviction. However, the conviction rate for rape is near equal that of DWI in which there is often the tangible reading of the BAC as well as the witnessed behavior and driving by the cop.

9/30/2009 1:52:49 PM

I agree with you on a lot of points... I think the way they get the unreported statistic is by the amount of clients they get that don't report it. It's a question that comes up whenever you're talking to someone who was sexually assaulted or raped.

I just noticed your message.. I didn't condemn them at all, I even went back to page 1 and checked :\ I was just commenting on victims retracting allegations due to harassment.. I know I said "if (big if) she did lie blah blah," and I'll admit I was skeptical of their situation, but I don't see that as fully condemning them and saying they're flat out guilty.

In my defense though, I think I was skeptical at the beginning because I've talked to victims who almost did drop to charges just to get rid of all the attention, having to relive the situation, etc. I know I should give these people the benefit of the doubt until they're proven guilty but it's really hard to do that sometimes.

[Edited on September 30, 2009 at 2:14 PM. Reason : blah]

and I just saw this:

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"Also that link you posted in regards to the video actually did acquit the son of rape. It looked consensual because it was consensual. the father had sex with her too and that is why he was being charged for rape. in this case it sounds more like false accusations towards the boy."

Uhhhh no, not the case. PM being sent as we speak.

[Edited on September 30, 2009 at 2:17 PM. Reason : . ]

9/30/2009 2:08:32 PM

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"This is part of the mentality that is in this thread and a fine example of why it is such a horrible experience to be falsely accused."

Oh god, this is so much worse than someone being raped and the rapist going free. So much worse that we should institute all these procedures to make it incredibly painful and difficult for a rape victim to confront her rapist. Think of the White men !!!!

9/30/2009 2:56:52 PM

The lesser-funded Lovell...

9/30/2009 2:59:22 PM

^^ Neither being raped nor going to jail for being wrongfully convicted are pleasant experiences, I don't know why you keep going back to this bullshit argument.

[Edited on September 30, 2009 at 3:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/30/2009 3:05:13 PM

Think about this, people go to jail, lose the will to live, and die.

The lying bitch has committed murder through proxy, but will walk free.

Fuck off God.

9/30/2009 3:13:31 PM

i'd like to point out that Samwise16 shared some intimate details regarding the case of the father and son with the consensual staged video. The son still has charges against him regardless of the tape and this should be noted.

9/30/2009 3:41:32 PM

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"Think about this, people go to jail, lose the will to live, and die. The lying bitch has committed murder through proxy, but will walk free."

Hyperbolic, aren't we?

Why should we make the system incredibly difficult for the LARGE majority of legitimate cases to be brought to justice just to make sure the handful of false accusations are "severely punished?"

9/30/2009 4:01:48 PM

I think we could reduce the number of false accusations with an aggressive and progressive system of sex education in this country.

Thousands of women technically consent to sex but end up feeling as if they didn't consent. We pervert the psyches of young women at great harm to them and their chance at a healthy sex life. I can't count the number of times I've heard, "I didn't really want to, but..." The "buts" are crazy pathetic (but...I wanted him to date me, I was in his bed, I didn't want him to be mad, I didn't want to hurt his feelings, I didn't want him to think I was a prude or a tease, I was drunk, it was easier to just do it, etc...), and they all indicate a severe lack of maturity in otherwise normal of-age women. None of those instances belong in a court of law, but we could still address issues of self-esteem, responsibility, and freedom in our young girls so that there are no buts...it's just yes or no.

And it would probably mean boys wouldn't get laid nearly as much as they do now.

9/30/2009 4:14:13 PM

Girls with low self-esteem account for probably half of my bedpost notches. God bless them.

Look, it's obvious this girl was sewing some wild oats while drunk. She then later regretted an incredibly stupid decision and made another one. She should be punished just like anyone else who makes false accusations/statements to police -- no more, no less.

9/30/2009 4:21:54 PM

bitch just wanted some spanish/black dick without anyone knowing she got it.


now that her white friends/boyfriend finds out it becomes rape.




same story over and over again..... ive heard this shit like 5 times now.



When will dumb bitches learn ?

9/30/2009 4:59:53 PM

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"Think about this, people go to jail, lose the will to live, and die. The lying bitch has committed murder through proxy, but will walk free."

LOL WUT?

9/30/2009 5:23:37 PM

read in between the lines


they could have gone to jail, gotten raped or shanked..... basically die, literally or metaphorically



while the bitch just gets a slap on the wrist


FUCKING SKANKS

9/30/2009 5:43:17 PM

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"^^ Neither being raped nor going to jail for being wrongfully convicted are pleasant experiences, I don't know why you keep going back to this bullshit argument."

he's got nothing. this thread is full of trolling and back pedaling.

9/30/2009 5:54:52 PM

i do not see how rape could be worse than being falsely accused of rape

at least if your the victim people feel bad for you

9/30/2009 6:00:31 PM

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"i do not see how rape could be worse than being falsely accused of rape at least if your the victim people feel bad for you"

ha... ha ha ha.

9/30/2009 6:01:29 PM

she should be charged with a number of crimes

i'm not sure about everywhere else, but in this state, any CHARGE that you get stays with you for the rest of your life.

example, even though i was found not guilty of hacking ncsu computers, it has come up at every job since then that i was charged with a felony in 2004.

i could only imagine explaining away a rape charge. jesus christ, fuck that chick

9/30/2009 6:05:43 PM

Just explain that you banged out a drunk skank and slap his hand.

9/30/2009 6:10:51 PM

9/30/2009 6:13:33 PM

Just put on your resume, "My hobbies include table tennis, disco dance, and rape."

9/30/2009 6:15:01 PM

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"example, even though i was found not guilty of hacking ncsu computers, it has come up at every job since then that i was charged with a felony in 2004."

if you've never been convicted, you don't have to disclose anything about it, and it's illegal for an employer to ask you about it.

right?

[/IANAL]


(...but i play one on the interwebs)

9/30/2009 6:37:07 PM

^ No.

9/30/2009 6:39:45 PM

every job i've been, i always see the application says

"Have you ever been convicted of a Felony?"

i mean, obviously it would be different if the job requires an FBI or DoD clearance, but im just talking about normal jobs.

9/30/2009 6:43:24 PM

^The charge still shows up on your record, which employers check.

And people judge you on your charges even though they shouldn't.

In NC, you can get one charge expunged. After that, the charges remain.

9/30/2009 6:54:16 PM

that's fucked.

9/30/2009 6:55:42 PM

Jackleg's situation is unique since he was actually hacking into computers, he just didn't get convicted of the crime.

9/30/2009 8:04:47 PM

not convicted, in a legal sense, is the same not guilty in this country.

if they didnt convict him, then the issue should be dropped.

why don't you have it expunged or something, J-Leg?

9/30/2009 8:12:50 PM

^^That's not unique.

Most of the people that have charges dropped or plead down are guilty.

That's why they hesitate to remove them from your record. I think the police should still have access to information about what you've been charged with, but it shouldn't be available to employers and the general public since you didn't get convicted. Shit, I don't even know if convictions should be available to the public, especially if they were non-violent and happened a long time ago.

^He likely already used up his one expungement on something else.

[Edited on September 30, 2009 at 8:14 PM. Reason : ...]

9/30/2009 8:13:05 PM

^Most people who have charges against them dropped are guilty? Fuck off.

9/30/2009 9:14:14 PM

^Yes, and you don't understand what I mean.

It's routine practice to drop minor drug offenses, DUIs, misdemeanor assaults, etc...for a number of reasons.

Sometimes, it's cause it's a first offense of some "decent" kid with a good lawyer. Other times, the cops screwed up the paper work. Other times, the cops don't show up to court. Or other times, they'll drop other charges in order to get you to plead to one. There are tons and tons of instances of guilty people having the charges against them dropped.

9/30/2009 9:23:33 PM