^ um, which one?there are many denominations, and there are differing views on it. Catholicism, for example, does not teach that all non-catholics or all non-christians will go to hell. They also accept evolution. wheras jimbobs southern baptist church believes everyone not in their congregation is going to burn in hell. and the earth is flat.and only 8000 years old. [Edited on December 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM. Reason : sdaf]
12/1/2009 3:46:42 PM
Look Ratty, I've already filled my quota of "Listening to people tell me why some other kind of Christianity is better than mine" for the next billion years. I've got a direct, unbroken line of apostolic succession from today all the way back to when they nailed the Big Guy up. It's good enough for me, and I don't give a copper-plated damn whether it meets your standards.
12/1/2009 3:48:02 PM
^^ I don't know any mainstream Christian denominations that would acknowledge that you can go to heaven without believing that Jesus is the one true son of God.[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ]
12/1/2009 3:48:15 PM
To the extent that he spoke for the entire Orthodox Church I don't know, but it was my priest who presented me with the "We know for sure that we get in, we don't know for sure who gets kept out" argument during my conversion. I believe it's still the second-largest denomination, so hopefully that's mainstream enough for you.[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ]
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12/1/2009 3:50:36 PM
well islam is the only religion causing mass violence right now so thats a huge minus ten points against thembut whether the vast majority of them that aren't terrorists really believe in peace or just secretly condone all the violence I just don't know and that's the real question
12/1/2009 3:51:08 PM
12/1/2009 3:53:25 PM
Not to mention Christian-controlled nations that perpetuated (and still perpetuate) brutal colonialism.
12/1/2009 3:55:18 PM
Still perpetuate brutal colonialism? You'll recall how the inhabitants of the Virgin Islands, the Falklands, and French Guyana are so often described with terms like "blood-soaked" and "brutal."
12/1/2009 3:57:03 PM
Hmm yes let's call corporate imperialism something different and suddenly it'll stop being as bad
12/1/2009 3:58:19 PM
12/1/2009 3:58:22 PM
Hmm yes add the word "imperialism" to every bad thing happening around the world and suddenly it'll be the same as when TERRITORIES WERE VIOLENTLY CONQUERED AND SUBJUGATED BY OUTSIDE FORCES.But now that I think on it I have allowed this conversation to drift considerably from the topic.
12/1/2009 4:01:36 PM
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12/1/2009 4:04:12 PM
Religious differences breed hate and violence. Nearly every religious group has crazies that are killing people and to what extent changes with the times. Right now, I'd say the religion to fear the most is Islam, as Islamic extremists are showing just how far they can reach... hundreds of years ago it was the Christians. However, in more specific locales (such as regions or countries) other religions may be more worth of fear... but on the wordwide scale for today, I'd have to go with Islamic extremists.
12/1/2009 4:06:06 PM
GrumpyGOP is Eastern Orthodox, IIRC.
12/1/2009 4:06:27 PM
12/1/2009 4:06:45 PM
Muslims believe in the immaculate conception?(True or False)Muslims believe Jesus is a true prophet and will descend from Heaven when Allah brings the world to an end?(True or False)Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified, and instead ascended into Heaven directly, and the man that was nailed to the cross was not actually the prophet Jesus?(True or False)The story of the Annunciation, when the angel Gabriel came to announce that Mary would bear a son while yet a virgin, is affirmed in the Koran?(True or False)The virgin birth of Jesus is an article of faith in Islam?(True or False)Muslims revere Mary in the Koran, and devoted an entire chapter to her?(True or False)[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 4:16 PM. Reason : sp]
12/1/2009 4:12:28 PM
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12/1/2009 4:14:26 PM
Stimwalt: True to all
12/1/2009 4:25:57 PM
12/1/2009 4:31:39 PM
One of them is false, can you guess which one?
12/1/2009 4:35:31 PM
^ maybe it is a matter of technicality/wording/semantics/syntax, but there are all true as far as i know (and i know more about islam than anybody else on here, save maybe for one or two users).
12/1/2009 4:57:28 PM
to answer the OP...I don't know much about Islam, but I'm not going to let a few bad apples mess up the whole bunch. There's been plenty of religious groups and other peoples throughout history that have done similar or far worse things than Islam extremists.
12/1/2009 5:09:57 PM
oh thats exactly how it's going to happen make no mistake
12/1/2009 5:41:07 PM
in another response to this post by BobbyDigital:
12/1/2009 6:32:19 PM
The immaculate conception is based upon the Catholic doctrine of Original sin, which Muslims do not believe in.
12/1/2009 6:33:11 PM
durrr... i confused that with Jesus' Virgin Birth even wiki says it so:
12/1/2009 6:45:40 PM
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12/1/2009 8:18:36 PM
I haven't read the thread. That said:What I think about Islam has had almost no influence from the media. I know what I know from a long-standing fascination with Middle Eastern culture and history. Once I got to college, I met Muslims, and learned more about the religion. I talked with them about their religion, and then I went and read up on it a bunch. I knew a fuckton about hijabs, customs, and the history of Islam long before 9/11, when so many people became interested in it. I've been on panels regarding women's issues in Islam (as the token non-Muslim ), and will continue to do so.If I were ever to become an adherent of an organized religion, that religion would be Islam. But I sure would miss bacon
12/1/2009 8:24:43 PM
^^^ That sounds interesting. Do you have a link?[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 8:25 PM. Reason : *]
12/1/2009 8:25:24 PM
^ i will look for it when i get a chance
12/1/2009 8:28:14 PM
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12/1/2009 11:50:12 PM
I think a lot of people are just confused on who/what a Muslim is...and on many occasions wouldn't be able to distinguish a Muslim from a non-Muslim on looks alone.
12/1/2009 11:53:08 PM
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12/2/2009 12:52:00 AM
TIMOTHY MCVEIGH WAS A CHRISTIANtherefore,CHRISTIANS ARE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO BLOW UP FEDERAL BUILDINGS
12/2/2009 3:31:36 AM
^more than that...Irish Catholic
12/2/2009 3:38:23 AM
I haven't read the thread so this may have been pointed out butEuropean countries have a problem with Muslims living in little enclaves and enforcing sharia law and whatnot. Brown immigrants aren't integrated into society so they act like they're still in BFE. In Europe, ethnic identity is tied up with national identity. If you're not white, you're not German/French/etc. It's not happening in America, partly because the Muslim immigrants to America tend to be wealthier and better educated. But Americans are united by an idea, not by religion or ethnicity.
12/2/2009 6:27:32 AM
Islam, Judaism and Christianity are like three brothers fighting for attention from the same daddy. I, personally, don't mind Islam at all. I just couldn't see myself giving full and complete devotion to Allah at the exclusion to everything else, e.g. environmental preservation (yes, I know this connection will be hard for some of you to grasp).
12/2/2009 6:48:32 AM
lulz, this has turned into a What do you think about Islam? how much better your own beliefs are than others^^ Solid points there. Broadly speaking, when devout (though not necessarily fanatical) Muslims are confronted with a world which does not wholly accept them and whose beliefs are radically different from their own, the natural human tendency is to circle the metaphorical wagons and pursue your faith that much more deeply. So you can't really fault Islam specifically with this. OTOH, I don't think the solution is tolerance and inclusion to the detriment of the generally accepted secular Western values hashed out in the 18th century.The Holocaust tends to wash out any preceding Jewish history in Europe but I'd be interested in knowing if there was any Jewish radicalization in 18th and 19th century Europe.]
12/2/2009 7:55:21 AM
^You're dumb as a brick.On another note, I am quite impressed by some of the posts on here.
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