Its simple. Andre Brown was on the team that year.

7/6/2011 11:33:37 AM

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"when i was in vegas, i put $10 on wisc: traitor, pointless, or neutral?"

i might do the same.

7/6/2011 11:46:53 AM

Watching the games, there was a lot more to it than that. He started trying to fit in passes that he previously wouldn't.

7/6/2011 11:47:33 AM

He also wasn't as elusive after that knee injury vs Rutgers.

7/6/2011 12:07:42 PM

bullshit. tob just tried to make him a pocket passer and admitted so on the radio.

7/6/2011 12:13:38 PM

so then, it wasn't as simple as Andre Brown.

7/6/2011 12:23:43 PM

I'm not saying TOB didn't try and turn him into more of a pocket passer, just that it was obvious that Russell wasn't quite the same runner after that knee injury.

7/6/2011 12:24:33 PM

I heard Russell say on the radio that it was his idea to punt at Clemson

7/6/2011 12:29:27 PM

i heard russell say that he taught the punters how to make 6 yard punts.

7/6/2011 3:56:23 PM

I don't think that's something that can be taught. that takes straight up skill

7/6/2011 8:35:14 PM

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"The Russell Wilson Project Alex Esselink Editor July 12, 2011 As some of you may have already noticed, our updated player projections have been up since last week. Now I know I probably just lost half of you as you jumped right to the rankings. For those of you that have stuck around or made your way back, I wanted to share with you the inner workings of our player rankings and projections. We let our projections dictate our rankings. And our philosophy has been to project each and every player to determine just how stats will be distributed throughout the team. So while a majority could care less how many balls a third string receiver for Houston is going to catch, it greatly impacts how many balls Patrick Edwards and Tyron Carrier will see coming their way. So we take no short cuts. Russell Wilson has been a hot topic this off-season, and he recently settled on joining the Wisconsin Badgers. Which of course has thrown a complete monkey wrench in our Badger rankings and projections released this spring. But it has also given us the opportunity to give you a sneak peek into our preseason projection process that we do for each and every team. Who Starts at Quarterback? The first question we ask when starting a team projection is who is going to start at quarterback? We are going on the assumption that Wilson will beat out Jon Budmayr in fall camp. Obviously this has yet to be determined. Previous Year Comparison The offensive coaching staff has remained stable with Bret Bielema and Paul Chryst, and we don't expect any major changes from what they've done in the past. So looking at prior year statistics is a good start. Wisconsin 3-Year Per Game Pass Avg: 15-of-24, 200 yards, 1.1 TDs and 0.75 INT Rush: Negligible Of course the major change here is the addition of Wilson who has trumped the Badgers' passing numbers the last two season. Let's take a look... Wilson 2-Year Per Game Pass Avg: 20-of-35, 253 yards, 2.3 TDs and 0.95 INT Rush: 9.5 atts, 27 yards and 0.5 TDs How Many Passing Attempts? As you can see there is a large discrepancy between Wilson's pass attempt average and Wisconsin, so this is where the projection process becomes subjective. The Badgers aren't going to deviate greatly in what they do -- pound the football -- just because Wilson is behind center. Keep in mind Wilson will have a little over four weeks to learn a new offensive system. While the answer to the question above rests somewhere in the middle, the Badgers average has a slightly larger pull, so we've settled on 28 pass attempts per game. Completion Percentage Wilson's completion percentage the last two seasons hovers around 57 percent. However, Wisconsin quarterbacks are typically over 60 percent -- Scott Tolzien completed 72.9 percent of his passes last fall -- and Wilson will benefit from working in a balanced offense. We settled on 60 percent completion percentage which gives us 17 completions per game. Yardage Calculation Most stat columns you see will show yards per attempt. This is good way to determine the overall effectiveness of an offense, but in my opinion is not good way to calculate projections. I prefer to use yards per completion. Based on the averages above, we settled on 13.2 yards per completion. This is on the high end of what we typically see, but right in line with what the Badgers have previously done and only slightly higher than Wilson's average. It is not uncommon to see run-heavy offenses have higher than normal yards per completion. Pass-heavy offenses typically rely on the a short passing game, while run-heavy units like to go deep off play action. Touchdowns and INTs Wilson won't match his touchdown totals from the past two seasons; there are too many mouths to feed in the backfield. But it is safe to say the Badgers will throw more passing touchdowns in 2011. This is probably the toughest and most critical stat to project, as it greatly effects the fantasy projections of the receivers, tight ends and running backs. We settled on 1.8 touchdowns per game, which is right in line with pass attempts and yardage for a run-heavy team. Interceptions were relatively easy at 0.7 INTs per game. Wilson has had a consistent INT-to-attempt ratio the last two seasons, which we basically followed. Rushing This is an interesting one as in the past when projecting rushing stats for Wisconsin quarterbacks it was really a matter of asking how many times they'll get sacked. Not the case with Wilson. He's a legitimate rushing threat and adds an interesting dynamic to the Badgers' offense. I don't see Wilson matching his the amount of attempts he's had in either of his last three seasons, but I can see his average staying on the higher end. So we end up with 6.7 attempts, 21 yards and 0.3 touchdowns. Effect on White and Ball Of course these projections trickle down to each skill position player, but we'll save the boring details. You can pick them apart in our draft kit. However, on everyone's mind is how does Wilson effect running backs James White and Montee Ball? Certainly if you're going to increase the passing and rushing attempts from the quarterback, that leaves less touches for your running backs. But this is not a 1:1 relationship as the Badgers' ability to move the chains and keep the offense on the field increases with Wilson at quarterback. So overall, their offense should see a boost from our spring numbers. White and Ball do see their carries decreased and hence their projections decreased in the latest round of projections, but it shouldn't be a major concern. Overall Wisconsin's offense will be much more balanced with Wilson. And while White's and Ball's respective ceiling might be reduced, so is the risk that they'll be one-dimensional and won't be able to move the ball. Parting Thoughts One thing to keep in mind is Tolzien was no slouch at quarterback. We commented in 2009 that he had the look of a future NFL quarterback, and it turned out to be correct. So expecting a major change is probably not realistic. That said, Wilson is a different type of quarterback. He needs to be active to be effective. It wouldn't shock me to see Wilson blow the doors off our projections or fall well short of them. Same with White and Ball. Both have potential to put up HUGE numbers. But you could also see one back steal the spotlight leaving you hanging. White and Ball are definite first or second round selections, with or without Wilson. Their potential is too great. Wilson, on the other hand, has some question marks. Based on our projections, he's a QB2/QB3 in BCS-only leagues. But scanning the quarterbacks around, he clearly has more potential than others in his range. I'd call him a late QB2 with upside."

7/12/2011 2:16:11 PM

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" Russell Wilson is better than Terrelle Pryor By Josh Goodson Updated 9 minutes ago New Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson address the media Russell Wilson is about 2 weeks into practice with his new team, the Wisconsin Badgers and he is already turning heads. Ben Worgull from the Wisconsin Scout.com site, "The Badger Nation" joined The Insiders on 620 The Buzz on Monday morning to tell us how the newest Badger is fitting in. Worgull told the guys that Russell-Mania has been out of control in Madison, WI. Badgers Head Coach Bret Bielema told the media that "no one has ever asked more about one player than Russell Wilson." On the practice field, Wilson has been nothing less than impressive. Worgull talked about how the Wisconsin defense has never practiced against a player like thus, much less had to play against one. When trying to make comparisons to who Wilson reminds the Badgers of, the name Terrelle Pryor, former Ohio State Buckeyes QB arises. But as Worgull simply put it without hesitation, "this guy's better than Terrelle Pryor". The Russell Wilson era at Wisconsin begins on Thursday night September 1st on ESPN against UNLV. As many fans have pointed out and as Worgull said regarding Wilson, "he is the missing piece to lead a blue collared midwestern team to levels it may never had been before."

8/15/2011 11:19:58 AM

fuck yea... I for one am giddy

8/15/2011 11:28:00 AM

same

8/15/2011 12:04:22 PM

yeah... not entirely sure how i feel about it. i guess i wish wilson the best.

8/15/2011 12:48:45 PM

I mean, if he kicks ass it will make State look like some goofy hillbillies (even if it shouldnt, it will though) but I wish him the best

8/15/2011 12:54:32 PM

I get to be a Badger fan for one season.

8/15/2011 12:58:13 PM

i don't give a shit about russel wilson right now

8/15/2011 12:59:51 PM

Jaybee1200 hated RW until he went to another school.


It's just as stupid for state fans to pull against him now.

8/15/2011 1:09:06 PM

I'm pulling for him. However, i'd rather he not win the heisman, because that would make me feel conlflicted inside. So i hope he has a 'good' to 'very good' season. But not 'great'.

8/15/2011 1:16:53 PM

I think it would be interesting if he had a statistically comparable season to this past year, if only to look at how playing for a different school and all other things being equal changes perception of him as a player, awards, press, etc.

8/15/2011 1:19:51 PM

Doesn't matter what Wilson does so long as Glennon has a good season. He can win the Heisman and go 14-0 -- neither of those things were possible at State. We're a fringe top-25 team with him, and an others receiving votes team without him. Most State fans should wish him well, but realize his season in no way affects ours. Jaybee probably gets that, but we know what he's up to here.

8/15/2011 1:23:11 PM

Ernie, would your head explode if I said I didnt want Russell to do well because he plays in the Big 10 and against my Buckeyes this year?

8/15/2011 1:32:06 PM

We'll look silly if we go less than 8-3 this year. As long as we do that, though, I can't see Wilson hurting our image at all.

8/15/2011 1:32:11 PM

^x6 what? show me how/where I "hated" RW. Must be nice to be so fucking ignorant that you can just totally make shit up and make yourself believe it.

^^^ I said it SHOULDN'T, so yes, I totally agree with you, but I am just saying nationally, to people that don't follow NC State every day, its going to look bad. Didnt say I agree with it, just saying that is how it will be, right or wrong.


[Edited on August 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM. Reason : f]

8/15/2011 1:34:23 PM

About the 10th time you posted that same concept regarding the nation's take. (I agree with you, though)

8/15/2011 2:20:10 PM

cause someone mentioned how they would feel if he blows up at Wisconsin... was giving my opinion

8/15/2011 3:09:43 PM

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"I think it would be interesting if he had a statistically comparable season to this past year, if only to look at how playing for a different school and all other things being equal changes perception of him as a player, awards, press, etc."

You can't win awards if your team is only mediocre. Athlete value is directly tied to the performance of the team, for better or worse.



This motherfucker actually won a Heisman. a heisman! Over Larry Fitzgerald and Eli Manning. Switch him with Philip Rivers, and take a wild guess which player would excel on the other players team. Hell, at least Matt Leinart made it to the NFL before people realized he wasn't so great.

[Edited on August 16, 2011 at 12:50 AM. Reason : ]

8/16/2011 12:47:00 AM

Jason White was the best out of QBs who got 5 minutes to find a receiver on every play.

8/16/2011 1:49:14 AM

Also, I thought it would be impossible for a player to come in the fall, pick up an offense, develop chemistry with new receivers, earn the respect of a team, and beat out the longtime backup for a starting spot.

I guess some schools want to win championships and others want to salute the middling middle manager.

8/16/2011 2:26:24 AM

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"Over Larry Fitzgerald and Eli Manning"

you lost all credibility by suggesting eli manning should have won the heisman trophy.

8/16/2011 6:47:46 AM

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"Also, I thought it would be impossible for a player to come in the fall, pick up an offense, develop chemistry with new receivers, earn the respect of a team, and beat out the longtime backup for a starting spot."

yeah, i thought the same thing. However, if anyone was going to be capable of it, it was Russell Wilson. Dude is motivated, smart, disciplined, and has a crazy work ethic... oh and a ton of talent. [/mancrush]

8/16/2011 8:19:05 AM

To be fair, I sincerely hope Glennon is better than Budmayr

8/16/2011 10:44:51 AM

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"has a crazy work ethic"

lol - yeah, when he actually wants to work for something.

i don't know how any state fan can pull for him after the favrian bullshit he pulled this year.

8/16/2011 10:56:41 AM

I hope RW wins a national championship and the Heisman

then UNC fans can get pissed that Bunting recruited him, but that UNC elected to stick with Paulus

8/16/2011 11:01:50 AM

i'm pulling for RW this year...untill we play wisconsin in the nat'l champ game

8/16/2011 11:25:12 AM

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"Also, I thought it would be impossible for a player to come in the fall, pick up an offense, develop chemistry with new receivers, earn the respect of a team, and beat out the longtime backup for a starting spot. "

Well, we still gotta see how he does at game speed. More than likely, he'll be fine, but practice is... well practice.

8/16/2011 12:00:36 PM

^
Somebody say PRACTICE?

[Edited on August 16, 2011 at 1:23 PM. Reason : .]

8/16/2011 1:22:44 PM

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"i don't know how any state fan can pull for him after the favrian bullshit he pulled this year."

that's kind of how i feel about it, despite that meaning that i agree w/ goalielax.

8/16/2011 1:42:16 PM

^but even if he did commit early and say that he was coming back in the fall, not being favrian, TOB still would have started Glennon because he did spring and summer stuff right?

8/16/2011 1:48:41 PM

i don't think that he would, no. that's why i stand by TOB's decision; you can't let a dude sit back and hold the program hostage.

if he had committed right away to coming back in the fall, then i would have a much harder time w/ it, and i think TOB's decision would've been to keep wilson. so i guess thanks to RW for being a jerk about it.

8/16/2011 1:51:06 PM

^, ^^ and yet:

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"Also, I thought it would be impossible for a player to come in the fall, pick up an offense, develop chemistry with new receivers, earn the respect of a team, and beat out the longtime backup for a starting spot."

But I think TOB's decision was the correct one. I'm in that camp where I hope the best for RW. The move may have given him a chance to play in a BCS game, which would not have happened here. And also, this:

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"Doesn't matter what Wilson does so long as Glennon has a good season. "

[Edited on August 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM. Reason : -]

8/16/2011 2:40:19 PM

I think TOB and RW both did what was best for themselves. It's clear why TOB made his decision, and it was the correct one. I also don't fault RW for wanting to start somewhere. RW obviously wants to be a 2-sport star on the professional level, but he had to be cautious and not burn too many bridges in the pro baseball world.

I disagree with some of the recent sentiment ITT; I for one don't see how any Wolfpack fan could not pull for Russell Wilson. He was always a humble, hard working, team-first guy who never boasted and always represented NCSU extremely well. He never complained or talked crap after his departure, and has never uttered a negative word about NCSU. He's a class act and I, for one, wish him nothing but success, especially since that success has no real bearing on our season now that the decision has been made.

8/16/2011 3:11:41 PM

^ Wise one here.

8/16/2011 3:13:24 PM

^^while i almost agree with everything you said, and from everything i saw, RW did and does to be a great person, but he did make a few statements afterward that i thought were out of character and a tad classless. but it's water under the bridge, and i look forward to watching him have a succesful season at Wisconsin.

8/16/2011 3:26:33 PM

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"Over Larry Fitzgerald and Eli Manning"

LOL @ Eli Manning.

Eli Manning was not that good in college (or wasn't that memorable, at least). The year he went to the Heisman ceremony, Philip had him beat in every (And I mean every) statistical category kept bfor QB's ....including strength of schedule (Eli had more wins, I guess). That also includes crap like rushing yards and rushing TD's. EVERY category. I actually compiled the stats one time but can't find them: In their two toughest games (@ FSU, @OSU for Rivers / @ Florida and LSU at home for Eli), Rivers had a QB rating of like 120 while Eli's was around 65. Ole Miss' schedule was actually really simple that season...they dodged Georgia and Tennesse (And Bama/Arkansas/Miss State weren't very good at that time IIRC). His strength of schedule that year was in the 60's...our was like 8th.

Eli Manning was a decent player with an awesome last name.

At least Jason White had impressive stats and arguably deserved the Heisman based on that alone. I don't even think Eli even finished in the top 5 of any statistical category (other than Heisman voting, obviously), but I could be wrong there

/eliisandwasoverratedrant



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8/16/2011 3:55:46 PM

Jason white had the best stats, but he had a ridiculous offensive line.

If a player puts up stats that are comparable to his, but they do it with a worse offensive line, then that player is better than jason white. You really need to normalize the stats by the time the player has in the pocket.

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Anyways, there is no mystery over what TOB should have done with RW. Just do what you did last year or do what Wisconsin is doing now.

In sports, in life, and in work, my-way-or-the-highway is a sign of poor leadership. Being inflexible is a sign of poor leadership. Losing exceptional talent is the poor leadership. Losing talent is in fact the worst thing a leader can do, since recruiting has the biggest impact on organizations.

The excuses why RW should not have been allowed to swoop in during the fall are complete bullshit. New receivers (as is the case at Wisconsin)? Take extra time after practice to work on it. Earning respect of teammates? Winning earns respect. Demonstrating that you are better than the backup (Glennon or the Wisconsin QB) earns respect. Performance earns far more respect than hanging out.

The people who bring up these BS excuses are the types who foolishly limit their options by approaching everything as black and white. People who are actually successful look for creative ways to solve problems and maximize the talent at their disposal.

TOB was a middle manager and a process drone in the military, and he takes that same approach to running a FB team. Creativity doesn't come into play. That poor leadership will never achieve at the highest levels.

8/16/2011 9:06:13 PM

skokiaan, you are currently the worst Sports Talker

8/16/2011 10:14:00 PM

After that last post, ^.

8/16/2011 10:17:01 PM

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"TOB was a middle manager and a process drone in the military, and he takes that same approach to running a FB team. Creativity doesn't come into play. That poor leadership will never achieve at the highest levels."

He might never win a national championship if thats what you mean by achieving at the highest levels

But good luck landing highly ranked high school football recruits if you don't let Glennon play until his senior year

Come to NC State, where you will finally start as a senior!

8/16/2011 10:20:46 PM