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" My question looking at the last page would simply be, why isnt there more analysis here and less emotion? And why does it seem to be ridiculed to ask for less emotion? Obviously its okay to be upset over tragic events but isnt it problematic for that to be the only thing you have? "

On this thread it seems to be we’re all agreeing. I interpret cael as playing devils advocate more often than not, which is fine by me, because we overall are monolithic In our interpretations, as you would expect from being from generally educated, professional backgrounds.

1/9/2026 10:03:07 AM

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"Each man’s rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all received identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine"

Indeed. I'm a big fan of this documentary on the topic

1/9/2026 10:08:59 AM

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"Coz I generally don't include you in the group of people I see online who frequently or have totally succumbed to the forces and behaviors I'm referring to. We may not always agree on everything, but that is completely normal and ok and even beneficial and you generally treat others with respect and I'm glad for your presence on this site"

1/9/2026 10:26:47 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/opinion/renee-good-minnesota-shooting-ice.html?unlocked_article_code=1.DFA.0SU3.ZdaN5tilfy3f&smid=nytcore-ios-share

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"It’s entirely possible that had Good lived, the Trump administration might have tried to prosecute her. That’s essentially what happened to Marimar Martinez, a U.S. citizen in Chicago, in October. Martinez was in her car trying to warn people about ICE when she collided with a Border Patrol vehicle. Federal officials claimed she “rammed” a car driven by the agent Charles Exum, while her lawyers say he sideswiped her. Exum then got out of his car and shot her five times. Martinez survived, only for the Justice Department to charge her with assaulting a federal officer. Her lawyers soon discovered that Exum had been boasting about the shooting in text messages. In one, he wrote, “I fired 5 rounds, and she had 7 holes. Put that in your book boys.” In another, he said, “Sweet. My fifteen mins of fame. Lmao.” The Justice Department ended up dropping the case before even more messages could be revealed."

but please, keep tsk tsk-ing people who are outraged at what is happening

1/9/2026 11:06:03 AM

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"Indeed. I'm a big fan of this documentary on the topic"

God damn it, now I'm listening to a documentary and not vibe coding.

1/9/2026 11:13:02 AM

I wasn't "radicalized" by my time online unless you count the felony charge I caught using this forum. My experiences in that system were eye opening, to say the least.

1/9/2026 11:19:54 AM

Can we please hear that story?

1/9/2026 11:22:53 AM

It's one of the best TWW stories of all time. message_topic.aspx?topic=221921

Somehow forgot Snewf was involved. Have you ever sold your elite hacker skills in a job interview? Or do you just hope it never comes up?

1/9/2026 12:20:15 PM

I'll start another thread about it sometime soon. It's how I learned about the "justice" system and the ratchet effect [https://academic.oup.com/chicago-scholarship-online/book/21282/chapter-abstract/180968945t] in policing.

^ I work at Red Hat and they are well aware of my past.

[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 1:10 PM. Reason : lol ]

1/9/2026 1:09:42 PM

^ yeah but I'm asking how you spin it when asked.

1/9/2026 1:19:43 PM

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" I wasn't "radicalized" by my time online unless you count the felony charge I caught using this forum. My experiences in that system were eye opening, to say the least"

Same. Why I still post here remains a mystery.

1/9/2026 1:57:23 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3va3en22e

footage from the killer

called her a “fucking bitch” after shooting her in the face

[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2026 2:01:39 PM

*murderer

Also, JD Vance seems to think there won’t be any charges and the FBI’s takeover the case seems to indicate he may be right.

1/9/2026 2:09:40 PM

^ There's no fucking way he catches any criminal charges. The same same officer was involved in an incident in June where he was dragged by a car. He clearly had reason to be afraid and thought his life was in danger. They won't even try for manslaughter.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-officer-fatally-shot-minnesota-woman-was-dragged-car-june-immigrat-rcna252992

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"The ICE officer who fatally shot a Minnesota woman Wednesday was previously dragged by a car during an immigration enforcement operation in June, DHS spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said."

[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 2:12 PM. Reason : a]

1/9/2026 2:11:24 PM

I’m not disagreeing with you— at least in the sense that he’s totally going to get away with it. It doesn’t change the fact that he murdered her.


[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 2:21 PM. Reason : OJ got away with murder, too.]

1/9/2026 2:17:50 PM

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"The same same officer was involved in an incident in June where he was dragged by a car. He clearly had reason to be afraid and thought his life was in danger. "

Seems like he would have learned that standing in front of a car explicity goes against police procedure.

1/9/2026 2:21:05 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/akivamcohen.bsky.social/post/3mbz7txgam22y

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" Also: you CANNOT fucking pull a gun on someone while filming on your fucking cell phone. If as a LEO your judgment is the situation has reached the point where deadly force may be warranted & you need your gun out, not having your full attention on it is at BEST depraved indifference to human life"

new footage very clearly shows she was turning away from the shooter before she was killed

[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 2:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2026 2:41:29 PM

Kinda feels like there’s more to this than just whether or not he should face criminal charges.

1/9/2026 2:47:12 PM

She even said she wasn’t mad at him. Told him to take a break and go get some lunch. You don’t tell that to someone you’re getting ready to run over.

He’ll claim PTSD, and he’ll get off scott free.

Antagonizing any law enforcement is really stupid, but not lose-your-life stupid. I’m so tired of hearing and seeing FAFO in this context.

Also, Vance seems to think it vindicates the officer. I think it makes things look worse.

[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 2:53 PM. Reason : asdfa]

1/9/2026 2:51:33 PM

I’m just shocked that the dude linking to 4chan is also wishcasting the ICE agent getting off scott-free

1/9/2026 4:07:37 PM

Who is linking to 4chan?

1/9/2026 4:09:36 PM

There will be no trial, but even if there was, it would just be a bunch of victim blaming/shaming. Justice as we once imagined in this country is very likely over.

1/9/2026 4:16:09 PM

"imagined" being the key word here, i think

1/9/2026 4:20:50 PM

^^^ I linked a video which was the cdn link of 4chan (which I actually think I got off twitter in this case). Before 2022 it was getting near impossible to get actual video of incidents. Things would be blacklisted on all the major social media, so 4chan was one place you could find full vids of incidents. I still check out of habit. OMG Samizdat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat

Both Twitter and bluesky have had vids of these things in full.

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"I’m just shocked that the dude linking to 4chan is also wishcasting the ICE agent getting off scott-free"

I didn't believe Islam was taking over Minnesota until I saw the officer shoot that woman simply for driving a car.



[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 4:25 PM. Reason : a]

1/9/2026 4:22:33 PM

Oh that was a neck gaiter, not a hijab.

But I see how it could be confusing. I don't think he had the top part. I guess it could have been a pulled down shiesty.

I bet that dude got a box of shiesties for every occasion.

1/9/2026 4:29:05 PM

UJustWait84if you ever want to talk 1:1 about our experiences I'm open to it -- it would be private unless we decided otherwise

1/9/2026 4:36:54 PM

I wouldn't have thought anal, but after that invitation, definitely think it could be anal.

You guys need to do a podcast.

1/9/2026 4:39:37 PM

^^I kinda missed that whole period on tww. I don't see how mucking with the blotter warranted felony charges. I'm sorry that happened to you guys.

1/9/2026 5:00:25 PM

WASN'T THE GODDAMN PASSWORD, "PASSWORD?"

1/9/2026 5:01:57 PM

the password was "lppassword1"
it was in the HTML source with the entry "password=lppassword1"

later, I was at that NCSU tailgate where those guys got murdered
jackleg and I saw the men dead and dying on the ground and he turned to me and said, "And they want to put US in jail."

that was the moment when I changed

1/9/2026 5:08:33 PM

IIRC it was “password1234”

And yeah, I’d be down to chat sometime. Would be kinda cathartic, tbh. 2004 was more than a lifetime ago for me, personally.

1/9/2026 6:04:50 PM

wtf

[Edited on January 9, 2026 at 7:50 PM. Reason : Not sports talk...]

1/9/2026 7:50:25 PM

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"Oh that was a neck gaiter, not a hijab. But I see how it could be confusing. I don't think he had the top part. I guess it could have been a pulled down shiesty. I bet that dude got a box of shiesties for every occasion."

I believe it was a joke about Islamic countries restricting the rights of women (such as to drive) and doling out harsh punishments for seemingly minor infractions.

1/9/2026 8:00:26 PM