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3/22/2010 12:16:28 AM

so this is how chit-chatters debate politics....

wow, sounds a lot like the house of representatives

3/22/2010 12:16:59 AM

Health care, bitches! GET YOU SOME.

3/22/2010 12:17:00 AM

I'm not free, nor am I cheap!

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:17 AM. Reason : for hugz]

3/22/2010 12:17:02 AM

Spontaneous,

I will give you a hug and pat you on the head. I'll even throw in a bedtime story too if you're a good boy!

3/22/2010 12:17:28 AM

^^^^ man, you should see twitter right now

3/22/2010 12:17:53 AM

Sweet! It's like I have a gf again!

3/22/2010 12:17:59 AM

I hear sawash gives good dick hugs

3/22/2010 12:18:09 AM

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"because we all know that would work given how close the vote was, it's just your own exceedingly narrow interpretation of the constitution that precludes health care reform."

1. I wasn't talking about just to get a healthcare bill passed...I'm talking in general.

2. You're still wrong. Just because you can't get what you want by doing it the right way doesn't entitle you to ignore the law.

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"i get that. but what about people that have breaks in insurance coverage? from getting laid off, etc? "

That did legitimately need to be fixed.

This wasn't the way to do it.

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"the problem with free healthcare in this shitty overweight country is that its gonna suck us dry!!"

Fortunately, this bill has nothing to do with "free" healthcare, other than maybe being a move down that slippery slope.

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"what? you mean people shouldn't make money off the pain and sickness of others? I find your views shocking and appalling."

Hospitals don't make money off the pain and sickness of others, you goddamn dunce. They make money off of alleviating that pain and suffering.

and the alternative to them being a business is not pretty.

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"An MRI costs $90 in Japan, here it runs around $1200...obviously we were doing something right."

You realize that the fiscal conservatives' approach was to attack healthcare costs, but the Dems want nothing to do with that? What does this bill do to address the $1200 MRI, not to mention the fact that they give you one if you stub your little toe?

3/22/2010 12:18:16 AM

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"As soon as health care passes, the American people will see immediate benefits. The legislation will: * Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans; * Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool; * Prohibit dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans; * Lower seniors prescription drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole; * Offer tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage; * Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans; * Require plans to cover an enrollee’s dependent children until age 26; * Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing; * Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions; * Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs. * By enacting these provisions right away, and others over time, we will be able to lower costs for everyone and give all Americans and small businesses more control over their health care choices."

No more insurance gaps for a lot of young adults between high school, college, and first job/probationary period at said job.

I'm repeating this point, it is one of my favorite parts of the reform, because I had friends who ended up in the ER while waiting for their insurance to kick in at my old job (in grad school now) and one in particular still has paid back the hospital and probably wont for many many years if ever.

3/22/2010 12:18:29 AM

sawahash, well wow. it really worked. you fought hatred and a bitter person with love and you got me.


i sawy.

3/22/2010 12:18:49 AM

Chit Chat politics debates are as productive as Soap Box ones.

3/22/2010 12:18:52 AM

but more random!

3/22/2010 12:19:41 AM

hospitals actually don't make money

well a lot of them don't

i don't know what the alternative to a business is but what is happening now isn't working. i mean, i can't blame the "business" model necessarily but that is what people call what it is now and it doesn't work. at least not well enough. in my opinion.

a good % of the hospitals in the us are losing money. for lots of reasons. insurance/uninsured people, medicare, medicaid, etc, etc.

not that this has too much relevance. i just threw it out there haha

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:22 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2010 12:19:56 AM

can i get an e-hug?

3/22/2010 12:20:00 AM

and perhaps more humorous

3/22/2010 12:20:09 AM

I'm still waiting for the healthcare porn, w/ the ramming down of throats

3/22/2010 12:21:38 AM

pack_bryan, I will give you a e-hug

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I will give anyone else an e-hug that wants one too. I know some of y'all are upset with the things that happened tonight and if you need to take your anger out on me you can.


ftr, I am neither democrat or republican

and I feel that this bill has both good parts and bad parts, I'm just looking at it in a positive light.

3/22/2010 12:24:12 AM

WHERE'S THE DAMN PORN!

3/22/2010 12:25:16 AM

Perhaps it's a bit ironic that this bill is a metaphor for everything wrong with our healthcare system as it is. It attempts to treat the symptoms and while ignoring the underlying causes of the problem.

3/22/2010 12:25:19 AM

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"You're still wrong. Just because you can't get what you want by doing it the right way doesn't entitle you to ignore the law."

clever retort, what you said obviously could apply just as easily to your point of view

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"This wasn't the way to do it."

you and your ilk would argue that until the end of time just to prevent anything from ever being done.

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"Hospitals don't make money off the pain and sickness of others, you goddamn dunce. They make money off of alleviating that pain and suffering. and the alternative to them being a business is not pretty."

sure they do, and the alternative to them being a business has been proven time and again to be superior to our way of doing things if you bother to investigate.

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"You realize that the fiscal conservatives' approach was to attack healthcare costs, but the Dems want nothing to do with that? What does this bill do to address the $1200 MRI, not to mention the fact that they give you one if you stub your little toe?"

if by "attack healthcare costs" you mean shout "Tort Reform" and "start over" at the top of their lungs until they go hoarse, then yes, yes it was.

3/22/2010 12:26:37 AM

^^^ rule 34


[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:27 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2010 12:26:39 AM

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:27 AM. Reason : img tags. ugh. qntmfred you in charge of that? can i put this on the 'bug' list?]

3/22/2010 12:26:47 AM

gotta crawl before you can walk

3/22/2010 12:27:00 AM

Can this bill give me a super penis?

3/22/2010 12:27:41 AM

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"WHERE'S THE DAMN PORN!"

I can film myself reading out a summary of the bill while naked if you want.

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"Can this bill give me a super penis?"

BUT WAIT!!! THERE'S MOOOOORE!

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM. Reason : ]

3/22/2010 12:27:49 AM

they def don't give you an mri if you stub your little toe. that is such an exaggeration!

HOWEVER i will agree that it is pretty terrible when a doctor looks at you for um maybe 1 minute and then just randomly prescribes meds

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2010 12:28:10 AM

^^yes. it will make us all feel better.

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM. Reason : 4]

3/22/2010 12:28:12 AM

I'm just glad they made some progress instead of just pushing this thing back again and again. Now the administration miight be able to move on to another issue. I think Obama's pride was driving him to get some kind of healthcare legislation no matter what.

3/22/2010 12:29:20 AM

3/22/2010 12:30:52 AM

i too can strip while reading the bill

well i WOULD have

if pack bryan hadn't called me an ugly rat (or whatever)

3/22/2010 12:31:11 AM

fapfapfap

3/22/2010 12:31:13 AM

haha there is a fake background in that video...if you look out the window it's totally fake.

3/22/2010 12:32:34 AM

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"clever retort, what you said obviously could apply just as easily to your point of view "

Ummm, how? I'm for abiding by the proper framework for government. I think you'll have a hard time pinning any blame on me for that.

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"you and your ilk would argue that until the end of time just to prevent anything from ever being done. "

My ilk?

I'm assuming that you've mistaken me for a Republican or something. They're not "my ilk". I tear into them plenty, too.

and yes, "This is fucked up and stupid" is a pretty legitimate argument, a legitimate retort to which is not "Well, we've gotta do SOMETHING, and do it NOW!".

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"sure they do, and the alternative to them being a business has been proven time and again to be superior to our way of doing things if you bother to investigate. "

1. Humor me...how do hospitals make money off of pain and suffering rather than alleviating that pain and suffering?

2. Superior, huh? I guess that's why Americans go to Canada for healthcare, not the other way around.

Incidentally, Americans do sometimes go to other countries like, for example, India...but that's to save money. If you recall, my overall point is that should've been addressing the cost of healthcare, not the health insurance.

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"if by "attack healthcare costs" you mean shout "Tort Reform" and "start over" at the top of their lungs until they go hoarse, then yes, yes it was."

tort reform is a part of it, but not itself a solution.

3/22/2010 12:37:39 AM

what is tort reform?

3/22/2010 12:38:16 AM

kind of like tarts, but fatter

3/22/2010 12:38:45 AM

ohhhhhh

Okay yeah, I've been wondering exactly what it was...I guess fatter tarts do need some reform.

3/22/2010 12:39:54 AM

that could be a whole other thread, but the 10-second answer is that it's the idea of addressing the problem with people suing the bejeezus out of everyone for stupid shit.

3/22/2010 12:41:39 AM

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"I'm for abiding by the proper framework for government."

I'm sure you're enjoying sucking Scalia's dick

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"I guess that's why Americans go to Canada for healthcare, not the other way around."

Sarah Palin just recently admitted going to Canada for healthcare when she was younger, nobody is going to go there for elective surgery obviously

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"tort reform is a part of it, but not itself a solution."

It's a VERY, VERY SMALL part of it, but that's the only marginally substantive idea for reducing costs that Republicans proposed

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"what is tort reform?"

It basically involves capping punitive damages awarded to plaintiffs in medical malpractice lawsuits. It's an overblown issue that would only reduce costs by a maximum of 2% accord to the GAO.

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:48 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2010 12:45:24 AM

There's a little more to tort reform than that.

I'm also not much on defending the GOP.




and any argument using something that Sarah Palin did is fundamentally flawed. She is one of the most goddamn ridiculous and retarded figures in government in America. That's like saying someone is one of the most incompetent and difficult employees at the DMV.


^ It's not only the costs of the lawsuits...it's the crazy costs of malpractice insurance, and the overtreatment of things as a result of being scared of getting sued (i.e., a contributing factor towards damn near getting a brain scan because you broke a nail).

but no, while it would be a step in the right direction, it certainly wouldn't be some magic bullet that would solve all of our problems.

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 12:52 AM. Reason : ]

3/22/2010 12:49:08 AM

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"and any argument using something that Sarah Palin did is fundamentally flawed"

I agree with this in general, I was just pointing out a particularly egregious example of Americans going to Canada to receive health care

3/22/2010 12:51:06 AM

the real question here is how do i go about applying for a death panel position?

3/22/2010 12:51:09 AM

^that would be a crappy job to have
"what do you do for a living?"
"i uhh, i'm a death panilist, big whoop wanna fight about it"

3/22/2010 12:58:34 AM

think about all the kickbacks you would get

3/22/2010 1:00:16 AM

I'm kind of pissed abortions aren't covered. The cost of the little bastards' health care will far exceed the abortion.

3/22/2010 1:01:12 AM

ATTN: Glenn Beck, Hannity, Rush, Sarah Palin, Tea Baggers, Faux News and sheep thereof

3/22/2010 1:01:46 AM

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"I'm kind of pissed abortions aren't covered. The cost of the little bastards' health care will far exceed the abortion."

ARCGREEK '12

3/22/2010 9:07:18 AM

this belongs here, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448

also, i ♥ sophie moon and zafira

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM. Reason : in the porn above]

3/22/2010 9:13:43 AM

[Edited on March 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM. Reason : ]

3/22/2010 9:31:17 AM

Set 'em up

3/22/2010 10:08:37 AM