Quote :

"in general i support the police and their efforts to maintain a safe and orderly society for the common good - that "fuck the police" stuff is just my schtick but i don't support them blindly and i think excessive force should be subject to public review and comment, as well as corrective action by those in charge"

5/10/2010 1:53:30 PM

True love means never having to say that you're sorry.

5/10/2010 1:53:45 PM

It always seems like two sides of these debates pick the most extreme sides.

The police chief and the cop loving people always say that it was the right thing to do, and no matter what happens to a suspected criminal he/she probably deserved it. The cop haters always want to string up every cop in the city.

IMO they should issue an apology, give the family a few hundred bucks, and suspend the cop for a few days.

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM. Reason : Oh but then people would know cops aren't infallable!]

5/10/2010 1:59:21 PM

LOL

"Sorry we killed your dog. Here's $300."

5/10/2010 2:00:29 PM

Indeed. Better than nothing

5/10/2010 2:03:45 PM

Quote :

"The shooting death of a pit bull"

this was from the article, i dont know where corgi came from, but it might have been a corgi, i dunno
if it was a pit bull, then i have no problem with the police shooting it if they felt it was a threat

i doubt any of you have been on the inside of a stack going into a house, dogs can be just as dangerous as any other weapon and even more unpredictable, sucks but whatever

i also doubt they would raid a house for just some pot and a paraphernalia, the search warrant was
probably for something much greater and was justifiable, just cause he didnt have several oz of coke
there at that time doesnt mean he has never had several oz of coke

5/10/2010 2:06:19 PM

This shit happens every day.

5/10/2010 2:09:30 PM

I almost said something about the pit bull and how most people (on the comments) seemed more concerned about the corgi... but then I realized no matter what I say, pit bulls will always have a bad reputation.

Honestly, from the video it seemed like the dog was just barking - which is what they're meant to do! I would hate to see what my dog would do to someone busting open the door to my house if he gets all agitated just from a stranger being in the apartment..

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2010 2:09:54 PM

Quote :

"in general i support the police and their efforts to maintain a safe and orderly society for the common good - that "fuck the police" stuff is just my schtick but i don't support them blindly and i think excessive force should be subject to public review and comment, as well as corrective action by those in charge"

I generally agree with this. I think that if we were to look at this situation more closely, we'd find that the police believed that there was potential for persons in the house to be armed (as drug traffickers generally are) which warranted the use of swat. When raiding a house, officers simply dont have time to pull out OC spray for a dog.

Do I fault the officers for shooting the dog if it were attacking them, no. Is it a shame that they killed the dog, especially considering what we now know to be true, absolutely. However, going in they didnt know the dude had just a little bit of weed. Epic intel failure is the cause of this (which swat likely had little to do with).

5/10/2010 2:14:35 PM

Quote :

"this was from the article, i dont know where corgi came from, but it might have been a corgi, i dunno if it was a pit bull, then i have no problem with the police shooting it if they felt it was a threat i doubt any of you have been on the inside of a stack going into a house, dogs can be just as dangerous as any other weapon and even more unpredictable, sucks but whatever i also doubt they would raid a house for just some pot and a paraphernalia, the search warrant was probably for something much greater and was justifiable, just cause he didnt have several oz of coke there at that time doesnt mean he has never had several oz of coke"

Well if that isn't nice and tidy. Nice job rationalizing it all.

5/10/2010 2:18:15 PM

well thats just how i roll

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:20 PM. Reason : s]

5/10/2010 2:20:17 PM

ITT: conservatives who just can't wait to touch the sweet dick of state power on their lips

Just more evidence people want the deck stacked in their favor as much as possible and have little to no principles about anything

5/10/2010 2:20:50 PM

^are you talking about me??

5/10/2010 2:24:03 PM

Quote :

"i also doubt they would raid a house for just some pot and a paraphernalia, the search warrant was probably for something much greater and was justifiable, just cause he didnt have several oz of coke there at that time doesnt mean he has never had several oz of coke""

or that he might have had several ounces of coke in the future

MINORITY REPORT ITT

5/10/2010 2:25:09 PM

Quote :

"i also doubt they would raid a house for just some pot and a paraphernalia, the search warrant was probably for something much greater and was justifiable, just cause he didnt have several oz of coke there at that time doesnt mean he has never had several oz of coke""

or that he might have had several ounces of coke in the future

MINORITY REPORT ITT

5/10/2010 2:25:09 PM

Quote :

"I generally agree with this. I think that if we were to look at this situation more closely, we'd find that the police believed that there was potential for persons in the house to be armed (as drug traffickers generally are) which warranted the use of swat. When raiding a house, officers simply dont have time to pull out OC spray for a dog. "

If we look at the situation more closer than that, we see that the police should have surveyed the house a couple times, get a feel for it, know what to expect, and then make a good plan to serve the warrant. That way when they raided the house, they would know whether or not the dog would be a problem.

Quote :

"ITT: conservatives who just can't wait to touch the sweet dick of state power on their lips"

You're mistaken. I wish the state would leave me the fuck alone, limit the power of the police(at least hold them under more scrutiny), give more power to individual, and stop telling people not to stop crimes.

5/10/2010 2:28:12 PM

listen, i think the govt should stay the hell away from our lives, i dont even like private companies loging what we do (i'm looking at you google, why do you save every search i preform?), i think everyone should be able to do whatever the hell they want within the law, but if there is a law, you break it, dont bitch when bad shit happens. If you dont want a speeding ticket, dont speed, if you dont want cops in your house, dont do illegal shit in your house, if you think the laws need to be changed, do something about it more than bitch about it on tww done /rant

5/10/2010 2:30:50 PM

Quote :

"if there is a law, you break it, dont bitch when bad shit happens"

If you jaywalk and a cop beats the fuck out of you, you have no right to bitch.

5/10/2010 2:32:32 PM

Surveying the house and coming up with a good plan almost certainly wouldn't include a better fate for the dogs.

5/10/2010 2:33:40 PM

EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WHITE

NO ROOM FOR SHADES OF GRAY

god fucking damn these braindead fucks

5/10/2010 2:34:11 PM

Quote :

"Surveying the house and coming up with a good plan almost certainly wouldn't include a better fate for the dogs."

Well if they tasked Officer Smith of creating a plan to deal with the dogs and asked him "What's your plan?" and Smith goes "I was just going to shoot them upon entering." That might get criticized more than "Spray them with pepper spray", "taze them", "Leash them". Hindsight is 20/20.

5/10/2010 2:37:35 PM

was he within the law when beating you, did you pull a gun after jay walking, jesus dude, you can what if every damn situation here, but most (99.9999%) of cops wont even ticket you for jay walking, i've done it several times in front of cops,

dont break the law dont worry about cops

oh and i agree with better intel=better decisions about raids, but intel isnt always out there and warrants are sometimes pretty time specific

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM. Reason : blah]

5/10/2010 2:37:55 PM

There were two dogs people...

1. Pit Bull - Dead
2. Corgi - Injured

5/10/2010 2:38:19 PM

^^Also, don't talk to the police.



[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ^^True]

5/10/2010 2:38:23 PM

WHo gives a fuck over a dog?

5/10/2010 2:38:45 PM

^^^^ you missed his point

intentionally

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:38 PM. Reason : a]

5/10/2010 2:38:45 PM

Quote :

"2. Corgi - Injured"

Shoot to kill in situations like this. The corgi could have been on PCP and gone for the gun in his ankle holster without even realizing that he'd been shot.

5/10/2010 2:40:10 PM

(too late with the reply)


carl don't be a retard and bring speeding into the discussion. A large percentage of speeding tickets are bullshit and the simple fact that 99% of the population breaks that law tells you its a BS statute in some instances.

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 2:42 PM. Reason : k]

5/10/2010 2:40:36 PM

Quote :

"dont break the law dont worry about cops"

i think that addressed his point

5/10/2010 2:40:51 PM

no, it didn't

5/10/2010 2:42:23 PM

What if the owners had zombie raptors as pets?

5/10/2010 2:43:05 PM

KILL THEM

if you can

5/10/2010 2:43:24 PM

Quote :

""Spray them with pepper spray", "taze them", "Leash them""

Don't get me wrong, I would certainly prefer that these raids go down with no one/thing getting injured/killed. However, all of your solutions require an officer to not have his primary weapon in hand. This would be a tough sell for anyone going into a high threat situation. These teams maintain a tactical advantage through violence of action. They bank on the fact that their speed, sound, and threat of violence disorients the people in the house long enough to get them in custody.

5/10/2010 2:43:46 PM

zombie raptors as pets are protected under the Endangered Species Act but if said pets know how to fly F-16's then they can be deemed as too dangerous for society and must be put down

5/10/2010 2:46:06 PM

Pretty sure only T-rex's know how to fly fighter jets...

5/10/2010 2:48:03 PM

not with those short arms.

geez.

5/10/2010 2:49:48 PM

but theyre great at tickle fighting

5/10/2010 2:50:45 PM

sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiittt

5/10/2010 2:55:25 PM

Quote :

"These teams maintain a tactical advantage through violence of action. They bank on the fact that their speed, sound, and threat of violence disorients the people in the house long enough to get them in custody."

I agree, and that's EXACTLY why these teams should not be used unless there is a MAJOR crime going down or there is NO OTHER CHOICE. This is not something you use to arrest some marijuana smoker. This is what you use when someone has a hostage or when you have to catch a murderer and all other means have been exhausted. Unfortunately, they do these raids because they want to catch you with the largest possible amount of drugs rather than maintain a safe situation. They are willing to sacrifice your safety and the safety of others in order to catch people committing non violent crimes. These occasional accidents where they enter the wrong home are acceptable in their minds because that's the price YOU'LL pay for them to occasionally catch some dude with a half pound of harmless plants.

Keep in mind that as a completely law abiding citizen, you will be killed should they accidentally enter your home in the middle of the night thus causing you to mistake them for robbers and react in kind. This is why they don't need to do these raids so readily. They are way too willing to do this shit in situations where it's completely unnecessary and overly risky for everyone involved.

5/10/2010 2:58:53 PM

the gubment, simutaneously responsible for creating the perpetually booming illegal drug trafficking market and tasked with quelling it....Seemed like a good idea at the time.

5/10/2010 2:59:50 PM

Quote :

"WHo gives a fuck over a dog?"

probably the owner you fucking ignoramus

5/10/2010 3:01:00 PM

Quote :

"this was from the article, i dont know where corgi came from, but it might have been a corgi, i dunno if it was a pit bull, then i have no problem with the police shooting it if they felt it was a threat i doubt any of you have been on the inside of a stack going into a house, dogs can be just as dangerous as any other weapon and even more unpredictable, sucks but whatever i also doubt they would raid a house for just some pot and a paraphernalia, the search warrant was probably for something much greater and was justifiable, just cause he didnt have several oz of coke there at that time doesnt mean he has never had several oz of coke"

Dont you DARE come up in this thread being logical

5/10/2010 3:12:52 PM

Quote :

"However, all of your solutions require an officer to not have his primary weapon in hand. This would be a tough sell for anyone going into a high threat situation. These teams maintain a tactical advantage through violence of action. They bank on the fact that their speed, sound, and threat of violence disorients the people in the house long enough to get them in custody."

This goes back to adequately surveying the place before rushing in. This was not a high threat situation. A deputy could have served this warrant by himself if they had actually spent some time analyzing the situation.

5/10/2010 3:15:33 PM

in hindsight

5/10/2010 3:17:33 PM

Quote :

"Don't do illegal drugs and this won't happen."

5/10/2010 3:17:40 PM

If you never admit any wrongdoing, hindsight doesn't exactly help now does it

5/10/2010 3:18:10 PM

does anyone have the real story?

^doesn't change the fact that the raid may or may not have been justifiable

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM. Reason : c]

5/10/2010 3:19:05 PM

^^^you obviously haven't read the whole thread, because this DOES happen to people who don't do illegal drugs. Police raiding the wrong address is a serious concern.

[Edited on May 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ^^^]

5/10/2010 3:19:26 PM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=police+raid+wrong+house&aq=0&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=police+raid+w&gs_rfai=

5/10/2010 3:21:41 PM

Quote :

"^^^you obviously haven't read the whole thread, because this DOES happen to people who don't do illegal drugs. Police raiding the wrong address is a serious concern."

They found illegal drugs in his home. Opinions of a bunch of illegal drug using TWWers doesn't change anything.

5/10/2010 3:21:43 PM