https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/29/us/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-gaza-genocide.html

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"Marjorie Taylor Greene Is First Republican Lawmaker to Call Gaza Crisis a ‘Genocide’"

7/29/2025 11:34:59 AM

7/29/2025 11:44:55 AM

https://www.avclub.com/awdah-hathaleen-killed-no-other-land

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"Palestinian activist behind No Other Land killed by West Bank settler Israeli settler. Yinon Levi was reportedly arrested after the attack, but no charges have been filed against him."

7/29/2025 12:46:05 PM

Sources Say: "He's a good kid!"

7/29/2025 1:53:01 PM

^^^ is that qntmfred? did he finally speak up against Izrahell's unadulterated savagery, the highest level of savagery recorded this century?


^^ unfortunately, dozens upon dozens of normal everyday West Bank Palestinians have been killed by rampaging terrorist genocidal land thieves (aka "settlers"), with IGF soldiers in tow, in the past couple of years, and many more in the past decades, many whom have arrived there recently from Eastern Europe.

but esp after October 7, they (with the direct presence and active help of the IGF) have stepped up their genocidal, ethnic cleansing campaign by frequently burning the homes and cars of people living on their land for centuries, stealing and killing their livestock, and destroying their trees and crops. as a result, many villages of natives have been wiped out (or taken over) just in the past few months, and hundreds in the past few decades. this is going on right now, day in day out, at all hours of the day and late night when everybody is sleeping there.

none of that makes the news in the West and no one knows the names of the victims, which is why Palestinians are seen as extremists and terrorists and Izrahellis are seen as good guys, or at least have been until recently, in the West.

but according to qntmfred, "the Izrahellis are just trying to survive, but the Palestinians keep attacking them and won't let them live" (paraphrased).

7/29/2025 9:40:44 PM

Can we get a running total of all the puns opeii has made in the past?

I recall satanyahu and this izrahellis now, but i feel as though there are several more

7/29/2025 10:03:11 PM

I just skip past his childish rants at this point

7/29/2025 11:02:01 PM

^ calling out a zionist genocide is childish? calling out direct US complicity in the genocide is childish? calling out the glee of israelis at the death of palestinians is childish? calling out the murderous, ethnic cleansing actions of land-thieves (settlers) is childish? calling out Western in inaction, hypocrisy, and complicity is childish?

those things form 99+% of my "childish rants".

i thought you were different, but i was mistaken, i suppose.

OTOH, if you are bothered by "satanyahu", "izrahell", and "zionazi" (but why though?) so much that you would skip over the 99+% that is not such words, then i was definitely mistaken about you. because in that case, you are bothered by such words more than by the actual genocide and intentional starvation of children and the naked brutality and savagery of the izrahellis.

7/30/2025 5:00:37 AM

marjorie Taylor green calling it a genocide, and fetterman disputing it.

What a political world we live in here in 2025.

7/30/2025 7:36:39 PM

^^being childish is childish. If you want people to take you seriously after you spend all this time trying to make important points... then don't talk like an 11yo playing Fortnite.

Simple concept.

7/31/2025 7:45:03 AM

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5486700/humanitarian-aid-gaza-starvation

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"More than 1,000 rabbis and other Jewish leaders from around the globe, including in Israel and the U.S., have signed a public letter urging Israel to allow extensive humanitarian aid into Gaza. The letter denounces Israel's "mass killings of civilians" and "the use and threat of starvation as a weapon of war." The Jewish leaders say Israel's actions damage not just the country's reputation, but Judaism itself."

8/1/2025 3:46:53 PM

Clearly just self-hating Jews.

8/1/2025 7:37:50 PM

To me, it sound like more than 1,000 rabid anti-semites to me!

8/1/2025 7:38:52 PM

Senator recounts a story from his time as a contractor in Israel

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMwyxUEoZvu/?igsh=M3c2ZnhqcDFsaThn

8/1/2025 9:44:07 PM

I thought for sure I would pop in here and see the latest Hamas hostage video, especially since everyone has a boner for starvation now, but alas.

8/3/2025 11:53:19 AM

Yes, that's awful. But you know what's even more awful? 10s of 1000s of innocent women and children being shot, blown to pieces, and literally starved to death.

8/4/2025 10:18:35 AM

Let's be real for just a minute. Let's say there is a ceasefire soon... before Christmas I would bet money a rocket flies from Gaza into an Israeli city. Then what?

Set the tragedy aside for one second... it's grotesque for sure. But these people are truly going to fight to the last and they have zero chance of defeating Israel. As an extra bonus, Israel no longer cares about its reputation on the world stage.

The best thing the UN could do right now is try to evacuate as many women and children as possible. Israel is simply never going to accept another rocket attack or October 7th again, no matter what it takes, its as simple as that. They are not going to stop unless Israelis forcibly remove their PM but 65+ percent of them are perfectly fine with what's going on.

Besides simple revenge this is one of the most unbelievable cases of "enoughs enough" in world history. You think the obvious solution is two states right? Well, they would immediately be at war, so...

What kind of intervention do you think is possible or realistic?

[Edited on August 4, 2025 at 12:37 PM. Reason : .]

8/4/2025 12:35:04 PM

I think they're just going to continue to kill everyone because nobody is stopping them.

If somehow they're pushed out of the country, and there's a refugee movement, we won't take any in (which we hate doing anyways because it always turns into "rawr rawr we don't take care of veterans, foreigners aren't our problem"), even though this is our doing.

8/4/2025 1:15:32 PM

Don't forget about the UK and Mandatory Palestine. We can blame them too.

8/4/2025 2:01:32 PM

ultimately this is all Enver Pasha's fault

[Edited on August 4, 2025 at 2:51 PM. Reason : alternatively, Umar should have stayed in the Hejaz where he belonged and left the Levantines alone]

8/4/2025 2:43:12 PM

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"before Christmas I would bet money a rocket flies from Gaza into an Israeli city."

I'd take that bet. Hamas isn't begging for a permanent ceasefire just to violate it again in 4 months, especially not with something as historically ineffectual as a rocket attack. If they wanted a temporary ceasefire, they would have taken one of the earlier deals.

Which is not to say that I think "permanent" means here what it does in normal use, and I'm sure down the line Hamas will break the peace again. Just as I'm sure Israel will do.

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"The best thing the UN could do right now is try to evacuate as many women and children as possible."

To where? Who's going to take them? Are you going to force them to take them?

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"Israel is simply never going to accept another rocket attack"

Sure they will. Rocket attacks are no big deal. They're not going to start dropping A-bombs all over the next time a rocket takes off. This is a very silly thing for you to say.

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"What kind of intervention do you think is possible or realistic?"

If the rest of the western world starts recognizing Palestine and levying actual economic consequences on Israel, which seems to be the direction we're heading, eventually they will stop. I think that's perfectly realistic.

If we were to cut off the unconditional flow of aid to Israel and join the rest of the western world - an outcome that is possible but not realistic anytime soon - then they would stop faster. Or, they'd pivot to the Russia-China axis, but that would bring us down on them pretty hard and, again, they'd stop.

Netanyahu could die, his coalition of shit-asses could fall apart, and Israel could elect a less genocide-happy individual who sees value in being part of the community of civilized nations, and they'd stop.

"All of the Palestinians go away" is not a solution, it is a failure.

8/4/2025 4:55:23 PM

"hamas goes away" is also a good solution. i think the entire arab league suggested that the other day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/03/opinion/israel-famine-hamas-netanyahu-trump.html

[Edited on August 4, 2025 at 8:18 PM. Reason : Good read if nobody has posted it.]

8/4/2025 7:55:24 PM

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" Besides simple revenge this is one of the most unbelievable cases of "enoughs enough" in world history "

That’s a 19th century barbaric approach

We were supposed to be moving away from this in the 20th century let alone the 21st century

I don’t accept this is inevitable. Better leadership in America or Israel, better morals in Israel could have compelled a more civilized resolution. The right thing isn’t going to be easy, but what advances us as a species is doing this hard work to actually value life and humanity.

8/4/2025 9:12:48 PM

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"That’s a 19th century barbaric approach We were supposed to be moving away from this in the 20th century let alone the 21st century"

that only works when both sides of a conflict are willing to play by 20th or 21st century rules

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"Better leadership in America or Israel, better morals in Israel could have compelled a more civilized resolution."

Palestinian leadership/morality is the problem and always has been. You're doing the bigotry of low expectations thing when you put all the blame on America/Israel. You don't want to be a bigot, right? Give the Palestinians their agency!

[Edited on August 5, 2025 at 9:14 AM. Reason : they're still playing by 7th century rules]

8/5/2025 9:14:05 AM

History is pretty clear that eradicating a group like Hamas is impossible, or close to it. It also doesn't fix the problem. Ok, you kill everyone who is a card-carrying member of Hamas. Do you think the idea of Palestinian liberation dies with them? The idea of pursuing that goal through asymmetric warfare and terrorism? We pretty well squashed al Qaeda and got ISIS for our troubles.

Unfortunately you can't just remove one side of the conflict. You have to create conditions in which it won't grow back. You do that by creating a viable Palestinian state. Yeah, you'll probably get some more conflict after that because people on both sides will be dissatisfied with the borders. See: Ireland. But states also have incentives to avoid wars and and the ability to negotiate on more equal footing. See again: Ireland

8/5/2025 9:21:49 AM

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"History is pretty clear that eradicating a group like Hamas is impossible, or close to it."

sure, but we did a pretty good job getting rid of Nazism and most Japanese no longer believe in a divine emperor. things can and do change significantly toward the rational. maybe not 100% eradication, but enough to actually make the world a better place.

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"Do you think the idea of Palestinian liberation dies with them?"

i'd LOVE the opportunity for this to actually become about Palestinian liberation. It never has been. It's always been about denying the right of Jewish people to have national sovereignty of their own.

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"We pretty well squashed al Qaeda and got ISIS for our troubles"

so the fight against religious extremism isn't over. it's not over here in the US, and it's definitely not over across the Muslim world. and yes there's even a fair bit of jewish extremism to be concerned about.

as I've always said, this is at its core, a religious war. it's not actually about land, although people who want to deceive you will pretend it is.

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"You have to create conditions in which it won't grow back. You do that by creating a viable Palestinian state."

agreed. like I've said

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"I do hope that they get their State and figure out how to be responsible members of the international community. just not getting my hopes up"

Israel unilaterally leaving Gaza two decades ago was an opportunity for Palestinians to show that they were actually interested in governing their own sovereign territory. For things to simmer down and demonstrate a governing model that could expand to include the West Bank and fulfill the promise of the oslo accords. But Palestinians in Gaza just continued trying to attack Israel. Just like they did when Egypt occupied Gaza, and just like the Palestinians in the West Bank did when Jordan occupied it.

but I do think that Palestine should become an internationally recognized state. with all the responsibilities and consequences that come with attacking its neighbor, when that inevitably happens. I'll mostly be curious to see if you people continue to blame the Jews for the Palestinians choices.

8/5/2025 9:46:35 AM

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"sure, but we did a pretty good job getting rid of Nazism and most Japanese no longer believe in a divine emperor"

The AfD is the number two party in Germany and Nazis are ascendant in the United States and elsewhere. Best you can claim here is a temporary disruption of a political apparatus in two countries (Germany and Austria).

Imperial divinity wasn't the driving force behind Japanese conquests. I'm fact I'd be hard-pressed to name a driving ideology there beyond a certain racial chauvinism, which is hardly gone.

No, you won't get rid of Hamas-like thinking. But you can go a long way towards neutering it, if you stop proving them right about how shitty you are all the time. Right now the number one Hamas recruiting tool is saying "The Israelis treat us like dogs and want to steal our homes and kill us all," and the Israelis are doing their level beat to back them up by treating them like dogs, stealing their homes, and trying to kill them all.

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"It's always been about denying the right of Jewish people to have national sovereignty of their own. "

Please. Nobody in Palestine would give a shit about Jewish sovereignty of the Jews in question hasn't decided to establish said sovereignty in fucking Palestine

As to this being "a religious war," no. It's much, much more complex than that. And for purposes of stopping the violence, talking about religion doesn't really get you anywhere, and it has undertones of, "Islam is the problem," which REALLY doesn't get you anywhere.

Every group has its zealots, but very few of them become suicide bombers or murderers. Turns out when people have homes, families, and opportunities, they're not real keen on risking everything even when they ARE religious but jobs.

Take away those things, and people become murderers even without a religious component. The Hutus and Tutsis are pretty much all Christians, for all the good it did them.

8/5/2025 2:54:57 PM

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""hamas goes away" is also a good solution. i think the entire arab league suggested that the other day."

btw, this is actually a pretty significant development.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/31/world/middleeast/hamas-arab-states-palestinians.html

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"The world’s Arab countries for the first time have joined unanimously in the call for Hamas to lay down its weapons, release all hostages and end its rule of the Gaza Strip, conditions that they said could help the establishment of a Palestinian state. The surprise declaration, endorsed on Tuesday by the 22 member nations of the Arab League, also condemned Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, which set off the devastating war in Gaza. The statement came at a United Nations conference in New York on a two-state solution to end the decades-long conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. “In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with international engagement and support, in line with the objectives of a sovereign and independent Palestinian state,” said the declaration. It was also signed by all 27 European Union states and 17 other countries. ... Last week, France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, announced that his country would recognize a Palestinian state and would formalize it in September. Britain soon followed suit, announcing that it would recognize a Palestinian state in September if there was no cease-fire agreement in Gaza. "

not quite the way that i had envisioned, but a shakeup of the geopolitical landscape seems appropriate at this point. seems a lot of that going on these days, what's the worst that could happen

8/5/2025 2:57:47 PM

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" what's the worst that could happen "

LOLLLLLL

8/5/2025 10:12:08 PM

Settlers attacked aide convoys today. But Israel isn't trying to starve anybody

8/6/2025 8:13:23 PM

^ That is just their religion bro.

8/6/2025 10:29:16 PM

^Not that there's anything wrong with that bro.

8/6/2025 11:30:51 PM

ITT, two wrongs make a right!

8/7/2025 7:51:40 AM

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/05/nx-s1-5488798/gaza-baby-starvation-update

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"ou likely have seen the images: an emaciated Palestinian baby boy, lying limp in his mother's arms. Mohammad is a year and a half old and nearly all bone. His eyes protrude, as does his swollen stomach. His spine is so sharp and so defined, it seems it might poke through his thin skin. His name is Mohammad Al-Motawaq. He is 18 months old. And he is starving in Gaza The images are among those published by major media organizations, including NPR, which depict the extreme hunger that has gripped most of Gaza. NPR first met the family and photographed them in late July, in their tent by the Mediterranean Sea in north Gaza, where they had been displaced. Since then, the images of Mohammad have been widely circulated within Israel and around the world for a very different reason: Many of Israel's supporters believe the images show how international media are falsifying reporting about mass starvation in Gaza."

8/7/2025 9:51:16 AM