Stupid liberals. Facts > propaganda, every time

10/10/2007 12:23:30 AM

mmm-hmm

10/10/2007 12:24:24 AM

FRENCH FRIED POTATOES

10/10/2007 12:24:52 AM

Fox News are known for their objective reporting and complete lack of any political agenda

10/10/2007 12:25:30 AM

10/10/2007 12:25:55 AM

^^ your response is completely valid, however the problem is the entire 'global warming' debate is driven by political agenda and all facts say we have very little if anything to do with global warming. I guess liberals got fed up we wouldn't buy in to their global cooling crisis a few years ago so they'd try the other way.

10/10/2007 12:27:21 AM

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" all facts say we have very little if anything to do with global warming"

all I know is that the environmentalists have been telling us about global warming for 10-20 years

and then suddenly we don't have winters anymore, here in NC

it is possible that the climate has changed spontaneously, but the environmentalists called it, and it seems a very unlikely lucky guess

10/10/2007 12:32:53 AM

How about the fact that this isn't the hottest year on record and we've been coming out of an ice age for hundreds of years.

Or the fact that during the fall of the USSR many of the weather stations in siberia went down. In fact, between 1985-1995 the number of weather stations dropped from about 12000 to about 5500, many of these being cold-weather stations. Of course when you lost a lot of your cold weather stations the mean temperature is going to rise. Also, "global" climate is a myth. Sure some glaciers are melting right now but there are just as many advancing.

Here's some more good stuff from the IPCC themselves



Ever looked back to what they were saying 10-20 years ago before they started warming you about global warming? All the rave was global cooling. http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf There's a link to a newsweek article about the "scientific concensus" was that the world is rapidly cooling. Their problem? Looking at too small a time scale. The earth has been here for what, 4 or 5 billion years now? They were looking at a time scale of about 100 years which is nothing for a temperature cycle.

The best part is the closest match to the temperature cycles has shown to be solar cycles, surprise surprise. Do liberal alarmists want to look at this? No.. they discredit those scientists and call them out for hating the environment.

10/10/2007 1:14:07 AM

Not funny "ha-ha", funny queer.


After thinking about it I am going to be kind and throw you a biscuit here.

First of all, this is Chit Chat. You can expect much of the same responses that you have already seen calling more attention to your name than what you are trying to say. Secondly, your posts ooze with insipid bias. Perhaps if you had a shred of objectivity your point would not be dismissed outright by most. It doesn't help to always refer to "liberals" as if it is some kind of pejorative despite what Hannity and Rush would like for you to believe. There is a thread about this in TSB and although the matter is smoldering in the ashes of endless bickering feel free to toss on another log.

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 1:40 AM. Reason : And to think these people are our future. ]

10/10/2007 1:22:25 AM

^^ You lose

10/10/2007 1:30:41 AM

^find a source that both sides find creditable and then use their info


if that is, then you ftw

10/10/2007 1:35:24 AM

But Al Gore flies in a jet to preach about carbon credits so surely the entire concept of global warming being at all influenced by human actions is a myth, right? RIGHT!?!

10/10/2007 1:42:37 AM

I'm one of the closest things to an expert in climate change that TWW will ever see. Global warming is real but very misrepresented in the media. The fact that this was one of the hottest summers on record in NC has little to due with long term climate change and more to do with regional short-term variability in the weather. It is very important not to confuse short term variability with long-term trends.

The closest thing to a reasonable assessment of climate change that's made it into the popular media recently is the ICPP report. A lot of people quote it, but very few actually read. I highly suggest that anyone interested in global climate change give it a look. It's not overly technical and takes about 2 hours to get through. The only problem with the IPCC report that is that it is a politically important document and, as a result, the authoring scientists don't commit to a lot of facts that they probably would commit to in a different forum.

The big thing to take away from the scientific debate on climate change is that the climate is changing and that humans almost certainly have a hand in it. However, beyond that, there is very little scientific certainty about anything else including how global climate change will continue and what the effects will be. That's still a matter of ongoing research and the answers are far from certain. There are guess out there but they are just that, guesses. Reasonable conjecture does not science make.

10/10/2007 1:44:55 AM

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"The thermometer was invented by Galileo Galilei in 1593"

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 1:47 AM. Reason : a]

10/10/2007 1:46:48 AM

What's funny is the graph he posted is from the IPCC too. If you do a little research you'll see that in the past few years they've decided they didn't like their margins of error for anything past the last 100 years so they reconstructed the graph to allow for more error, thus making it seem colder and giving the "hockey stick" graph posted. Also, notice the spike comes in to play when the siberian weather stations went down.

And here's a solar cycle graph for you since you decided to post a CO2 graph.



Here's the kicker though, the warmer the earth is, the more CO2 it produces. The ocean produces more CO2 than we as humans ever have or will. Of course CO2 is going to follow a trend in temperature. People look at it from the wrong end of cause-effect.

10/10/2007 1:52:58 AM

^ Don't assume it's a simple linear relation. You'll just end up looking foolish.

10/10/2007 1:59:45 AM

Oh I know, but don't assume its a simple linear relation between humans burning fossil fuels -> more co2 being released -> temperatures rising. There is no "general concensus" among scientists (either way) as the alarmists like to report and the facts just do not add up. Al Gore should be shot in the face for saying there is and trying to make us feel bad about burning energy while he uses 20x more electricity than the average american.

10/10/2007 2:02:11 AM

The first clue of failure was there being a global warming "debate" on Faux News.

10/10/2007 2:14:53 AM

the worst part of the whole thing is arguing about whats causing it. we know its happening and instead of arguing why, we just need to find better ways to deal with it/slow it down.

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"there is very little scientific certainty about anything else including how global climate change will continue and what the effects will be. That's still a matter of ongoing research and the answers are far from certain. There are guess out there but they are just that, guesses. Reasonable conjecture does not science make."

Actually its not. Deductive reasoning can figure out many things that will definately happen unless the world starts cooling suddenly.

We have one of the best in the country on this issue right here. You should talk to him, robert bruck.

10/10/2007 2:20:16 AM

^How do you go about solving the problem if you don't know the root cause? That's like having cold like symptoms so you assume its a cold, taking benadryl and wondering why you're not getting better when you really have the flu. Kinda bad analogy but you get the picture.

10/10/2007 2:29:26 AM

no its like theres a house fire and the firefighters are debating if it was arson or electrical instead of rescuing the people inside/putting the fire out.

We need to focus on ways to help people in dangerous parts of the world adapt to a changing planet and not add to the problem with excessive carbon even if that is not the primary cause.

If you blow a dollar a day on something studpid and can't afford your 2000 mortgage payment are you going to leave that in the budget because its not the reason you can't pay your mortgage?

10/10/2007 2:41:15 AM

But the solution to the burning house is simple. You put water on fire, fire goes out. Problem with warming earth is not simple. You don't know why its warming, you can't stop the warming. Before you can solve the problem you have to diagnose.

Better yet, we're probably going to find out that global warming is not caused by humans and we cannot stop it. We're going to figure out that we're going to have to adapt to a new climate just like every other species on earth has been doing for the last few billion years. If we can't some species will take over as dominant. The earth has been constantly changing for billions of years... it confuses me why people act like its been a constant temperature for so long now OMG IS CHANGING WTF DO WE DO AHHHHHHHH!!!

10/10/2007 3:09:38 AM

Keep polluting and stick our heads in the sand. That will solve everything.

10/10/2007 3:11:30 AM

It wont solve anything but it damn sure is fun

Is it bad that my heart warms a little when I see a factory blowing thick black smoke?

10/10/2007 3:20:06 AM

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"CHICKEN BONE EARRINGS"

10/10/2007 3:25:51 AM

^^ nope

just weird

10/10/2007 5:03:00 AM

global warming is a good thing; less money spent in the winter to heat a home...

10/10/2007 5:11:45 AM

10/10/2007 7:48:26 AM

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" guess liberals got fed up we wouldn't buy in to their global cooling crisis a few years ago so they'd try the other way. "

I'm waiting for them to go back to global cooling in about 20 years when everyone gets sick of global warming.

10/10/2007 8:59:33 AM

Among scientists, there is very little debate about the fact that global warming is happening. All of the evidence suggests it is.

The debate is political, because some people refuse to believe hard science.

10/10/2007 9:30:52 AM

I'm surprised Fox even acknowledged there was a debate global warming.

10/10/2007 9:36:44 AM

Well considering that half of the US has been in an exceptional drought for the last few months, it may lend some credence that our climate patterns are changing. For the last 5 years I have been able to wear shorts into December.

That and the ice sheet at the poles have shrunk dramatically and several island nations are beginning to slip under the waves.



[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

10/10/2007 10:03:27 AM

hey look, another global warming debate

10/10/2007 10:17:35 AM

^^nobody is denying global warming isn't happening. The debate is over wether humans cause it or not.

Also sounds like liberal media lives rent free in your skull. You cannot look at one part of the world and think it represents the whole. Part of Antarctica is melting yes but if I recall the west coast is larger than it has ever been recorded and the continent is gaining in mass in the central sections in the form of snow. Parts of Antarctica are cooling while other parts are melting. There is debate on wether Antarctica is actually shrinking or expanding right now. Some glaciers are advancing, greenland is melting, but other glaciers are advancing.

10/10/2007 10:53:05 AM

there's no such thing as global warming

its intelligent heating

10/10/2007 10:58:17 AM

Venus and mars are warming, yet i havent heard of any SUVs driving around there.

10/10/2007 11:20:08 AM

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" The first clue of failure was there being a global warming "debate" on Faux News."

10/10/2007 11:23:17 AM

when people say "faux news" they really show their dumbass side.

omg, anybody who doesnt talk like john stewart or dan rather is wrong

10/10/2007 11:25:35 AM

^ I like John Stewart. He has biased commentary but gives a fair report of the news. I like how he picks on Bush too.. heheheh

I wish there was a libertarian biased major news network

10/10/2007 11:50:43 AM

Fox News is kind of crap, though

most of the cable news, really

I'm fond of the BBC and NPR

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : -]

10/10/2007 11:54:40 AM

i cant stand the egos of those radio types...

10/10/2007 11:56:03 AM

which radio types?

the NPR folks don't particularly have egos

you're thinking of conservative talk radio hosts... they're the ones that shout people down and act like cunts

10/10/2007 11:57:28 AM

are you really going to try and say that npr and bbc are not very liberal slanted?

10/10/2007 11:59:30 AM

no, I'm not going to say that

I have a fairly strong liberal bias and I said that I am fond of BBC and NPR

I think CLAIMING objectivity is fucking stupid... objectivity is a false construct - its fucking impossible

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : - BBC isn't incredibly liberal though... just British]

10/10/2007 12:01:08 PM

i just think they like to hear themselves talk...they all have giant egos or are an "act"...glen beck, sean hannity, rush, oreilly

only repubs cause repubs have the only radio thats worth listening to...i tried npr once and it was so freaking boring

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 12:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/10/2007 12:01:47 PM

for sure

you don't get that kind of punditry on NPR

you have actual journalistic shows on there... real radio journalism
I enjoy that very much

10/10/2007 12:03:07 PM

ill admit that i sometimes have listened to npr, and some of the stories they do are quirky and interesting.

but as far as news sources go

which is what we are talking about... no thanks.

10/10/2007 12:06:03 PM

shit dual posted

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 12:10 PM. Reason : fixed]

10/10/2007 12:06:33 PM

i'd like to add that whoever put the chicken bones earings thing is gay

10/10/2007 12:06:37 PM

I think its a damn fine news outlet

no source should be your only one

10/10/2007 12:08:11 PM