Is there a way to get a professor fired because of the horrible grade distributions. Check this out! http://www-records.ncsu.edu/cgi-bin/grddist3.pl?semyear=108&curr=ZO&num=150

HORRIBLE!

8/1/2008 5:49:37 PM

ask greatgazoo

8/1/2008 5:50:52 PM

cry more.

8/1/2008 5:52:00 PM

Well, it's a 100 level class, which means it probably has attendance requirements, I bet that's how most of those Fs came about.

8/1/2008 5:52:00 PM

yes, because it's all the professor's fault and the students are just victims.

I'm so sorry that your college experience has been so rough.

8/1/2008 5:52:10 PM

^

8/1/2008 5:52:39 PM

i don't see anything wrong with the distribution

8/1/2008 5:53:17 PM

it's a state school. if you've ever heard of "that's good enough for state work" now you know why.

8/1/2008 5:53:18 PM

24 F's and 17 Unsatisfactories


daaaaamn son.

8/1/2008 5:53:35 PM

lol @ any ZO 100 level being that bad...

8/1/2008 5:53:37 PM

This is his grade distribution for the first partial and it's not that way because of attendance.

http://courses.ncsu.edu/zo150/common/www/grade1stpt.tiff

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM. Reason : Forgot something]

8/1/2008 5:54:42 PM

go back and look at previous grade distributions for zo150

they all look pretty similar

8/1/2008 5:55:37 PM

aww...did someone get an F?

8/1/2008 5:56:28 PM

Further proof that the Millenials are stupid??

8/1/2008 5:56:46 PM

I know there are alot of people who are just lazy and just don't want to work. But this is ridiculous!

8/1/2008 5:57:22 PM

appeal it

if that doesn't work

kick his ass.

8/1/2008 5:57:50 PM

How can you appeal it? On what grounds? Actually, My friend passed

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:00 PM. Reason : Forgot something]

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:00 PM. Reason : Forgot something]

8/1/2008 5:59:38 PM

Was the material on the test covered in the lecture or in the required text? If so you have no cause for complaint.

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2008 6:00:16 PM

What are you trying to appeal anyways???

8/1/2008 6:00:37 PM

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"yes, because it's all the professor's fault and the students are just victims. I'm so sorry that your college experience has been so rough."

8/1/2008 6:01:11 PM

you call that a skewed distribution, this is a skewed distribution...

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM. Reason : X]

8/1/2008 6:01:14 PM

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"course : ZO 150 course rating : 1 - Bad course comments : I found material interesting, but material was HARD!!! It is a lot of work! class : Spring 2004 section 001 grade received : C class rating : 1 - Bad class comments : attendance was mandatory, very hard class, required lots of work. material was presented well, but tests were very hard! We never let out early & notes were online. Books probably not worth buying. instructor : Heatwole instructor rating : 2 - Average instructor comments : Good teacher, but tests are impossible!!! very dificult, memorize everything! he gives quizzes about once/week."

so is most of that true.

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2008 6:02:28 PM

That is the thing. Your answer is not good enough if it is not in the top 1% percentile. Suppose, I write a paragraph worth of information and another writes a page. I get half points. It's not simple as 2+2.

8/1/2008 6:02:40 PM

sleep with his daughter

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM. Reason : or his wife]

8/1/2008 6:04:58 PM

/care

This is why you do this research BEFOREHAND

why don't you just go ninja on him

8/1/2008 6:05:53 PM

http://www.scsaberg.com/gd/index.php

ha. looking at his grade distributions over the years, I definitely wouldn't have taken the class

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:07 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2008 6:06:19 PM

I mean, if there was an easier professor, my friend would've gotten a better grade. But, the dude just is bad luck when it comes to professors. I don't understand how they stay this long. Doesn't the university have a policy of failing so many students.

8/1/2008 6:07:00 PM

I had Heatwole for zo 150 and I got a b in there...one of the few classes I actually passed. Surprise, surprise, once of the few professors I actually learned something from.

Just cause you get a bad grade doesn't mean your professor is bad....

JUST SO YOU KNOW! All those review sessions that were held...all the questions on the test were given out.
Everything he has on the tests are covered in class.


[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:10 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2008 6:08:06 PM

He is not a bad student either. Pretty smart. Now, he has lost all hope.

8/1/2008 6:08:55 PM

There is also the argument that universities have become lax on grading and give away A's too easily now for work that would have once warranted a C.

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:10 PM. Reason : the hardest classes are generally the ones you learn the most from]

8/1/2008 6:09:24 PM

Appeal that shit.

Then you find out where he hides his bodies, and slowly expose them in front of him. Takes a while, but harming their perceived importance is best because most profs are egotistical assholes.

8/1/2008 6:09:30 PM

Sawash what was the year or semester you had him. You are not looking at the bigger picture. If half the class has a D or below, something is not right with the professor.

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:11 PM. Reason : Forgot something]

8/1/2008 6:09:34 PM

OMFG College is hard! Books have words instead of pictures!

8/1/2008 6:10:06 PM

spring '06

Heatwole isnt one of the professors that will hand out grades, you really honestly have to deserve it. So obviously your "friend" thought they could just continue with their high school habits and thought they could pull it off in the end. I made that mistake too.

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:11 PM. Reason : ]

8/1/2008 6:10:24 PM

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""yes, because it's all the professor's fault and the students are just victims. I'm so sorry that your college experience has been so rough.""

ok i gotta call bullshit on this


the tone, you got it all wrong


people pay serious bucks to go to school and learn something. if the professor can't convey the subject matter with enough clarity, and his students repeatedly perform poorly over a long period of time, it reflects more poorly on him than it does on the students.


as far as the grade distribution, that should have been a warning sign, but often scheduling conflicts force students to bite the bullet and take the professor with the poor grade distribution. There shouldn't BE issues like this in the first place. Blaming it on the student for not taking the "easy way out" is erroneous to the overarching issue.

8/1/2008 6:11:28 PM

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"[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 6:10 PM. Reason : the hardest classes are generally the ones you learn the most from]"

Nah, the hardest ones for me have always been when I wanted to learn, but the prof. literally told me not to stop by his office again because the other students weren't and he didn't want to give me any advantage.

8/1/2008 6:11:47 PM

try having fuckers that you can't understand or read their writing.

8/1/2008 6:12:20 PM

Students pay for the opportunity and the space in a class, not for grades. You have to earn those.

8/1/2008 6:13:12 PM

just showing up to class is at least half the work

8/1/2008 6:14:24 PM

Plus he is so old. http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/h/halfh/www/index.html


Check out the notes and Tests! I was like wow! How do they come up with this stuff?
http://courses.ncsu.edu/zo150/common/www/schedule.html

8/1/2008 6:14:43 PM

half the work? WTF? how is that work? That should be a given.

8/1/2008 6:15:04 PM

students pay to LEARN.

professors are paid to TEACH.


poor grades are the reflection of a failure in that nexus. poor grade distribution over a long period of time indicates that the teacher isn't holding up his end of the bargain.

8/1/2008 6:15:04 PM

I really liked Heatwole. You know he ended up losing one of my test grades. I remember for a fact that I got a D on that test, it was my worst test all year. However, he e-mailed me and asked me if I had it. I told him that I didn't have it, and I didn't remember what the grade was.

He then e-mailed me back and said that since I had next to perfect attendence and all my other test grades were Bs and I made an A on the final he told me he would give me the grade needed to have a final grade of a B on that test he lost.

However, you have to go to his class and you have to study, and you have to go to the review sessions to be successful in his class.

8/1/2008 6:15:17 PM

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"That should be a given."

should

8/1/2008 6:15:53 PM

getting back at Heatwole just cause "your friend" got a bad grade is really immature.

8/1/2008 6:16:44 PM

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"I remember for a fact that I got a D on that test"

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"I told him that I didn't have it, and I didn't remember what the grade was."

you deserve to fail that class on principle.

8/1/2008 6:16:59 PM

You don't pay to learn. You pay for the chance to do so. Learning requires work on your part.

8/1/2008 6:17:06 PM

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"you deserve to fail that class on principle."

only if it was an ethics class

8/1/2008 6:17:44 PM

Professors aren't paid to stand in a class room. Teaching requires work on their part.

8/1/2008 6:17:55 PM

Have you had the class, do you know that was what he did. It doesn't sound like it.

8/1/2008 6:18:50 PM