Jedi was just on and I'm trying to remember besides Alderan (which was harboring rebels) and axing Luke's aunt and uncle, what was so bad about the way the Empire was running things?

10/13/2009 12:14:38 AM

Didn't they blow up Vulcan?

10/13/2009 12:15:46 AM

Free Health Care thats why

10/13/2009 12:16:17 AM

oppressive taxation?


that stuff was never hashed out, but you can guess it was that.





oh, and stormtrooper rape squads taking the rite of prima nocta or whatever it's called

10/13/2009 12:19:42 AM

10/13/2009 12:23:25 AM

If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out.

10/13/2009 12:24:53 AM

Disbanded the senate
Destroyed democracy
Treated non-humans like crap

10/13/2009 12:26:02 AM

Mainly the fact that the Galactic Empire was controlled by the Sith Lord Darth Sidious. You know, kinda the embodiment of evil. And basically anyone who opposed their rule was massacred or their planet was blown the fuck up (ok so that only happened that one time, but still).

/nerd

10/13/2009 12:28:26 AM

What does it matter if they control the world as long as i am happy. I mean what were there policies? Did they have free health care? low-taxes? Freedom of speech?


Maybe the Jedi's are the oppressive ones.

10/13/2009 12:31:11 AM

No freedom of speech. No rights for women and aliens. Mandatory service to the Imperial Army or Navy. Openly would massacre anyone who protested their policies.

And i am not sure exactly what regulation there was on the use of the available bacta tanks, but they probably charged out the ass for medical care.

10/13/2009 12:33:55 AM

^^^ see thats what I'm getting at, opposition was killed on a fairly frequent basis but its not like the jedi didn't spend a lot of time wasting people with their light sabers and shit

I don't think you can guage it by just trying to stop opposition/rebellion

you take that away and I just don't see the evil so much

^I don't really recall seing that in any of the movies and I'm not counting all the extra shit they've probably put out over the years


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10/13/2009 12:34:31 AM

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"No rights for women"

Well at least they got something right

10/13/2009 12:34:32 AM

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"CORUSCANT TEA PARTY"

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10/13/2009 12:37:01 AM

10/13/2009 12:40:39 AM

well they massacred the entire transport of Jawas on Tatooine while looking for R2-D2. They wouldn't allow Padme to speak in the Senate at one point (though that was technically Palpatine (Sidious) and his followers as the Galactic Empire was not exactly established until the time between "Revenge of the Sith" and "A New Hope".

They also murdered Luke's Aunt and Uncle when the didn't find him at home.

I also don't recall seeing the Jedis kill much of anyone with the light sabers other than clones, storm troopers, animals, and droids. Plus the light saber was supposed to be the last line of defense for them.

10/13/2009 12:41:33 AM

damnit. I too came to post

10/13/2009 12:47:46 AM

they're meanies.

10/13/2009 1:40:41 AM

Well, their entire officer corps had british accents.

10/13/2009 1:44:21 AM

They also didn't have any affirmative action policy in regards to officer promotion.

Of course, they did hire grand admiral thrawn but that wasn't until after episode vi.

10/13/2009 6:58:02 AM

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"They also murdered Luke's Aunt and Uncle when the didn't find him at home."

This seems like a perfectly rational response to me.

10/13/2009 7:06:13 AM

Obamacare

10/13/2009 8:22:27 AM

10/13/2009 10:24:20 AM

I felt bad for all the independent contractors on the original death star, until someone in the business explained that personal politics play heavily in a contractor's decision to bid and work on a job.

10/13/2009 10:26:07 AM

ehh, ima stay outa this one

10/13/2009 10:31:19 AM

^^ I, too, saw the movie Clerks

10/13/2009 10:37:04 AM

I figured it was a pretty obvious reference...

10/13/2009 10:47:05 AM

Theres alot of revisionist history when it comes to the Empire. The pro-jedi media and historians will tell you the Sith were simply evil and that they wanted to destroy all life. This couldn't be further from the truth. The Sith wish to see life flourish throughout the Galaxy in an ordered fashion for the benefit of all. The "republic" and its corrupt leadership, on the otherhand, only wished to strengthen their central seat of authority and milk the outer worlds for all they were worth. This resulted in a continued decline of civilization into a cesspool of beauractactic stupidity.

The Sith believe it is only through disipline and order that the lives of individuals can be bettered. By triming ones weaknesses and renenforcing ones strengths, an individual can lead a better life. It is the same with society. The only way to progress as a whole, is to purge all weakness from the Galaxy. Those who refuse to better themselves or those who would continue to hold down and prevent the meek from rising to greatness must be destroyed for the betterment of the Galaxy.

Are the Sith evil? Only if you believe order, disipline, and self improvement are evil.

10/13/2009 10:52:22 AM

^then what the hell did the Jedi believe?

10/13/2009 10:56:25 AM

All right... all right...

but apart from:

better sanitation
and medicine
and education
and irrigation
and public health
and roads
and a freshwater system
and baths
and public order...

what has the Empire ever done for us?

10/13/2009 10:58:34 AM

The Jedi continue their misguided belief that they are the "keepers" of the force. That it is up to them and them alone to determine the fate of the Galaxy. Those who are strong in the force are stolen from their families and forced into the "Academy" where they are brainwashed to fight the Jedi Order's battle against the Sith. Force insensitives are treated as second class citizens. The Jedi see them as simply objects to be pitied because they could never possibly contribute to the galaxy as much as the Jedi.

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10/13/2009 11:00:39 AM

slaves (non human slavery endorsed and implemented)

holy shit nerds of all types are coming out in this thread

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10/13/2009 12:53:39 PM

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"Hooper: Always some white boy gotta invoke the holy trilogy. Bust this: Those movies are about how the white man keeps the brother man down, even in a galaxy far, far away. Check this shit: You got cracker farm boy Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy, blond hair, blue eyes. And then you got Darth Vader, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Nubian god! Banky Edwards: What's a Nubian? Hooper: Shut the fuck up! Now... Vader, he's a spiritual brother, y'know, down with the force and all that good shit. Then this cracker, Skywalker, gets his hands on a light saber and the boy decides he's gonna run the fuckin' universe; gets a whole clan of whites together. And they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star. Now what the fuck do you call that? Banky Edwards: Intergalactic civil war? Hooper: Gentrification! They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white folks. And Jedi's the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white! Banky Edwards: Well, isn't that true? "

10/13/2009 1:18:46 PM

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"oppressive taxation? that stuff was never hashed out, but you can guess it was that."

Do I smell a prequel to the prequel?

10/13/2009 1:23:12 PM

Other than...

dissolving democracy,
systematically trying to exterminate the Jedi (genocide),
blowing up Alderaan (more genocide) simply to "demonstrate" their weapon,
shooting everybody who even remotely questions them,
using torture (for the sake of torture, no less),
spending trillions of taxpayer dollars to build something for the sole purpose of annihilating planets,
and maintaining an all-white, all-male, all-human government to the exclusion of all others,

they were pretty OK.

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10/13/2009 1:39:08 PM

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"All right... all right... but apart from: better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what has the Empire ever done for us?"

Excellent reference.

10/13/2009 1:50:05 PM

spottings : life of brian quote LOLZ

10/13/2009 1:50:10 PM

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10/13/2009 1:50:15 PM

I just might have to go and watch Chasing Amy now

10/13/2009 1:59:53 PM

They didn't even ask me any questions.

10/13/2009 2:01:50 PM

where is hooksaw when you really need him?

10/13/2009 2:03:43 PM

Okay someone tell me this:

if "Uncle Owen" is the stepbrother of Darth Vader, how can it be that

(1) Owen merely spends his life eking out a hardscrabble existence in the desert of Tatooine

and

(2) Darth Vader has no idea that he's squirreling away Vader's own son for 18-odd years.

10/13/2009 2:10:25 PM

10/13/2009 2:16:02 PM

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"They also murdered Luke's Aunt and Uncle when the didn't find him at home."

Bullshit. I'm sure there's more to it, like a nervous Aunt Beru reaching for a shank when the stormtroopers got to close to the drawer where she stashed her blow.

10/13/2009 4:11:26 PM

they tortured jews in the holocaust

10/13/2009 4:31:22 PM

They forced star systems under their wing, in order to establish order. Anyone that spoke against the empire, was simply eradicated or imprisoned. This Black and White philosophy in a Grey world, creates a lot of enemies. The biggest reason the Empire was evil, was that under the guise of establishing order, they were in fact, destroying freedom itself.

10/13/2009 4:42:40 PM

iop1

10/10

10/13/2009 5:00:48 PM

RAWWWRRRR! RETURN OF THE JEDI IS AN ANALOGY FOR VIETNAM AND REVENGE OF THE SITH IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION!

[/george lucas trying to sound like he did more than rip off old samurai movies]

10/13/2009 10:13:35 PM

You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!

10/13/2009 10:55:22 PM

I'm sure if the movie was shot from the Empire point of view it would be a lot different. Plus they could use some good PR of Darth Vadar helping out some kids or something.

10/13/2009 11:02:43 PM

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"The biggest reason the Empire was evil, was that under the guise of establishing order, they were in fact, destroying freedom itself."

Sounds like Republicans. And Democrats. And Cubans.

10/13/2009 11:13:09 PM