Go ahead and wiki it.

and if you don't believe wiki, OED it

11/3/2009 9:58:39 PM

fragmentation grenade

OR

Fraggle Rock

11/3/2009 9:59:24 PM

look you fucking piece of shit

i came up in this thread to learn somthing

not to have to go to wiki and shit all on my own

fuck you

11/3/2009 9:59:41 PM

this is worse than those threads that only contain a link to another website
I mean, goddamn... I've already trusted you enough to click on your thread, and now you're telling me I have to click on another link to go elsewhere?!

11/3/2009 10:01:25 PM

why the fuck did they always terrorize them bitches

11/3/2009 10:01:31 PM

clickity clickity click

11/3/2009 10:03:20 PM

you've crossed the line this time


there was a damn line
and you crossed it

11/3/2009 10:06:15 PM

I thought everyone already knew this.

11/3/2009 10:06:40 PM

it not just "fragmentation grenade"

it's a Vietnam era term meaning to attack an unpopular superior officer with a fragmentation grenade.

11/3/2009 10:06:53 PM

what's really strange is where the word 'poop' originates from

11/3/2009 10:07:44 PM

STACK
HIGH
IN
TRANSIT

11/3/2009 10:10:05 PM

^^

it appears to have two origins and I'm trying to find their common linkage

I'm getting it all originates from the backside... of ships, I think.

all all deviations and reformations really come back to this

^ snopes is all of our friend

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 10:10:21 PM

I think people say fragging because of the name "frag grenades" in video games, not because people killed their superiors with fragmentation grenades in Vietnam. The two uses of fragging are obviously similar, but A doubtfully caused B.

11/3/2009 10:11:47 PM

well, I see what you're saying, and the direct might be harder to find

http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50089346/50089346se1?single=1&query_type=word&queryword=fragging&first=1&max_to_show=10&hilite=50089346se1

if you're at state or somewhere with a subscription, here is the OED link

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ..]

11/3/2009 10:12:48 PM

Copy and past brah

11/3/2009 10:18:16 PM

Quote :

""Fragging is a macabre ritual of Vietnam in which American enlisted men attempt to murder their superiors. The word comes from the nickname for hand grenades, a weapon popular with enlisted men because the evidence is destroyed with the consummation of the crime." ["Saturday Review," Jan. 8, 1972]"

this is the original meaning, the meaning has been cooped into video games visa-vie fragmentation grenades often termed "frag out!" when deploying a fragmentation grenade regardless of intended target.

11/3/2009 10:22:31 PM

Quote :

"frag, v. U.S. Mil. slang. Show pronunciation* Show etymology* Hide quotations* Show date charts* To throw a fragmentation grenade at one's superior officer, esp. one who is considered over-zealous in his desire for combat. So {sm}fragging vbl. n. 1970 Daily Colonist (Victoria, B.C.) 9 Dec. 5/4 Another spectacular technique is ‘fragging’. ‘To frag’ is a term meaning to use a fragmentation grenade ‘to cool the ardor of any officer or NCO too eager to make contact with the enemy’. 1971 Courier-Mail (Brisbane) 19 May 1/3 There were 209 fragging incidents last year, according to the Army and 34 deaths were listed as probably due to these. 1972 Sat. Rev. 8 Jan. 12/1 Fragging is a macabre ritual of Vietnam in which American enlisted men attempt to murder their superiors. The word comes from the nickname for hand grenades, a weapon popular with enlisted men because the evidence is destroyed with the consummation of the crime."

from OED

how I was able to get through the bro speak is beyond me

it really took two or three goes

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 10:22:43 PM

Quote :

"I think people say fragging because of the name "frag grenades" in video games, not because people killed their superiors"

thank you, internet, for this gem of crystallized stupidity

11/3/2009 10:26:37 PM

now it refers more to killing someone with a frag nade in many video games

11/3/2009 10:28:05 PM

of course. but i mean what is the title of the thread. it hasn't even been derailed yet. but i am here now

11/3/2009 10:32:28 PM

Obviously, but I think that's it's most prominent modern use, at least among young people.

11/3/2009 10:33:29 PM

and if it had been a conversation about "Current prominent usage" I'd be onboard. But the fact that it was not means you either sorta spaced out, or decided to ignore the roughly half century worth of time between the estimated genesis of the word and the first possible video game culture capable of popularizing it.

just seemed like a typical college kid mistake based on "bra, i took history for like, three semesters ok. If we'd had a war with the British, I'd know about it" type thinking

11/3/2009 10:40:22 PM

Forgive me, I've never heard someone say fragging when referring to the meaning OP cited. If I had, or if most of us had, it wouldn't be thread worthy, now would it? I thought the OP was trying to cite the origins of the word as the origins of the modern usage as well, which I doubt. If I'm off the mark there and the OP simply wanted us to know the context of a meaning which is now more or less obsolete, my b, brah.

11/3/2009 10:44:53 PM

well you were dead fucking wrong in at least six ways weren't you?

Quote :

"Forgive me, I've never heard someone say fragging when referring to the meaning OP cited. If I had, or if most of us had, it wouldn't be thread worthy, now would it?"

NO
If you had, the thread would have been even more relevant and put you in the company of people such as :Everyone else in the thread

11/3/2009 10:48:58 PM

So you're saying that if we all knew that the origin of fragging was the whole vietnam thing, then it's more thread worthy? So I should make more threads defining words people are familiar with?

My point is that the OP's definition is not something people are familiar with anymore because that usage is obsolete. Therefore, it isn't at all where "fragging comes from". I'm hardly a bro for citing a popular, modern, relevant definition, even if the old white dudes that write dictionaries don't yet agree.

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 10:50:27 PM

I predict a parody thread.

11/3/2009 10:56:50 PM

Quote :

"My point is that the OP's definition is not something people are familiar with anymore because that usage is obsolete. "

uh, no, it isn't.

11/3/2009 11:06:04 PM

I've lost the thread of this... thread, but I would bet that origin of the video game term (which is what I do ultimately care about) finds it genesis from the vietnam era term

you do know that vietnam was not THAT long ago... and "kills" probably was talked about in the atari age

it's hard to think that the term originates from frag grenade kills in videogames

why not the term sniped or rpged for a generic kill?

it's hard to make a provable connection sense it's a cultural term, but the vietnam explaination is a pretty solid one

11/3/2009 11:06:31 PM

it comes from the sound of rolling around in a puddle of shit and cum

11/3/2009 11:07:48 PM

I'm saying the fragmentation grenade plays is why the modern term is called fragging. Why the same logic applies to the vietnam era term, the killing of one's superior has no affect of the modern definition. I wasn't saying that they were totally unrelated, but more of a C caused both A and B sort of thing.

11/3/2009 11:15:08 PM

do you think the term flowed from the vietnam era term?

or do you think some nerd in late 1990's killed some dude with a grenade in video game X and yelled "dude, I killed him with a fragmentation grenade... I FRAGGED HIM!" and it flowed from that?

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 11:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 11:17:43 PM

catzor, you're wrong.

11/3/2009 11:28:53 PM

The latter. Just in the way sending a text message became texting, or how using google became googling. Using the weapon, which is usually called a "frag grenade" became fragging. It doesn't have shit to do with being an uncultured nerd, it's simply acknowledging the adaptive nature of our language. I'm not saying the vietnam era term didn't have anything to do with it, but there aren't a whole lot of kids pissing in bottles so they can keep up on Couterstrike who have extensive knowledge of 'Nam.

In true TWW spirit, I'll take this pointless argument to my grave!

But seriously, I know I'm not convincing anyone, so I'll try to bow out after this post.

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 11:33 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 11:32:02 PM

Quote :

"I'm not saying the vietnam era term didn't have anything to do with it"

with this you're basically acknowledging the origin of the term

it doesn't matter why people think they use the term

they don't have to know where the term came from

it matters how the use flowed from person to person and where's the origin point

...

this is not a good argument but think about it

which makes more sense

the flow from a military term, such as... "that motherfucker better watch his step, or he's going to get fucking fragged"

or the flow from a particular use of a weapon in a video game... which has NEVER BEEN the instant kill cheapshot weapon, like a sniper rifle or a rpg

...

Quote :

"Etymology The origin of this term may be related to the military definition, and was first popularized by the game Doom. It is also believed to be an abbreviation of "fragmentation" in reference to the "gibbing" of players killed by explosions.[citation needed] Another theory is that the video game creators used a term created by DC Comics writer Keith Giffen for the character Lobo, originally intended to replace other less parent-friendly swear words.[citation needed] Its continued use to describe a "kill" (indiscriminate of whether friendly or enemy) most likely comes from an ignorance of the word's original meaning. The word "frag" can also refer to a (fragmentation) grenade. See also: Frag (military)"

shit, I didn't see this, wiki... this is from the wiki for "frag"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frag_(video_gaming)

adds a little more chaos to the mix

notice all the "citations needed", which, of course, is not unusual for wiki, but still...

[Edited on November 4, 2009 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 11:53:23 PM

So it sounds like both our arguments have some immeasurable level of merit (Though mine admittedly has no more evidence than my personal logic) and we are just waving our dicks at one another at this point...

[Edited on November 4, 2009 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

11/4/2009 12:22:38 AM

wikipedia just might be the straw that breaks our planet's back

11/4/2009 12:23:15 AM

Quote :

"I'm not saying the vietnam era term didn't have anything to do with it, but there aren't a whole lot of kids pissing in bottles so they can keep up on Couterstrike who have extensive knowledge of 'Nam."

No, but they're the same kids who jack off to movies about the Vietnam War, many of which include the term "fragging".

11/4/2009 12:34:33 AM

HEY

charlie sheen trained for a YEAR to get into shape for his part in Platoon. There's nothing wrong with admiring another man's body if he works that hard

11/4/2009 12:39:07 AM

I thought that the use of the term "fragging" to describe "accidentally" taking out one's superior (stereotype being the young, just-arrived Lieutenant who, through his inexperience, puts his men in danger) was common knowledge.

Like, I've known that definition since I was, ohhh, maybe 14.

I thought it was such common knowledge that I was surprised when I found THAT was the definition of the term you were referring to--I was expected some new pearl of wisdom. When I read that, I was like "Uhh, no shit, who didn't know that?"

I mean, if nothing else, have none of you seen Platoon?

Quote :

"So it sounds like both our arguments have some immeasurable level of merit "

[NO]


[Edited on November 4, 2009 at 1:03 AM. Reason : ]

11/4/2009 12:56:37 AM

i saw platoon. i was depressed for the rest of that entire day too.

11/4/2009 1:01:49 AM

^^

God, I was waiting for someone with some fucking credibility to come in here and help make this shit right.

(sorry about any other military people up in here, I don't know that you are in or were in the service)

11/4/2009 11:21:58 AM