Cool interview! I like what he says about Obama and the Nobel Peace Prize



I actually like most of what he says in the interview, and his Revolutionary albums are great.

11/15/2009 7:36:03 PM

boring... hai guys look at me - i'm hard and scowl a lot and sing rap songs. oh, also, i read a lot of stuff on dailykos last night so let me tell u it before i forget it all

11/15/2009 7:42:47 PM

i like dance with the devil but political music drives me up the wall. If you have something to say politically don't just do it with lyrics, use an allegory or something artistic

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11/15/2009 7:44:14 PM

idiots
both of you

11/15/2009 7:45:13 PM

Solinari responded after 6 minutes and obviously didn't watch. The dude built a school and orphanage in Kabul but assumes he's just a rapper who read dailykos last night.

11/15/2009 7:48:23 PM

I didn't watch either because i'm close minded.

but i'm watching now

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11/15/2009 7:49:40 PM

clearly because we are not 100% behind some random douche-bag artist who thinks he has political insight but yet never gets around to telling any solutions... Srsly, I listened for 13 minutes and he never offered any suggestions as to what a litmus test should be for invading another country.

Anybody can be a monday morning quarterback. He aint shit. All he said were leftist talking points - absolutely NO original thoughts from this dumbass.

Listen to Dead Prez if you want some original leftist perspective from a rapper. At least they've got a set of balls and will tell you what needs to be done instead of just sitting there in their "hard-ass hoodie" complaining about shit.

Whining doesn't make you intellectual - whether or not you're from the skreet

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11/15/2009 7:50:00 PM

not bad

I wish the interviewer would actually counter and spark a little more debate than a couple of prewritten questions

and sheesh, I'm not a pro religious guy but how about sharing the blame for religion a little bit, seems like it's all cool and hip to bash christianity but how about examining all the bullshit going on in the middle east before we got there

11/15/2009 7:51:47 PM

DOES THIS DUMBASS HAVE AN IDEA FOR WHAT THE LITMUS TEST SHOULD BE FOR INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY?

Seriously - its his leading point... But no... he's just trying to sound intellectual, throwing out names of countries and crap as though he could even point to them on a map.

11/15/2009 7:53:04 PM

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"I listened for 13 minutes and he never offered any suggestions "

Maybe he does in the last 15 seconds?

11/15/2009 7:54:39 PM

^^First of all, it was an interview, and he answered the questions. It wasn't a fucking dissertation. Second of all, you really think he's a dumbass? Interesting...

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11/15/2009 7:55:37 PM

you know when 0EP and I agree on something that I or he has a point.

he didn't answer jack crap. He just sat there complaining saying the SAME OLD tired old crap that you hear from everyone else all over the goddamn place. there was NO original theory or suggestion from this guy.

He couldn't even offer a suggestion to solve his #1 complaint; that we have no comprehensive litmus test for going to war. Hey buddy, here's a comprehensive suggestion - shut your goddamn face if all you're capable of is second-guessing the people who DO actually have to make a decision.

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11/15/2009 7:55:59 PM

i didn't watch the video yet... i was just making a light comment about your post

will watch it tomorrow and post serious comment tomorrow

11/15/2009 7:57:43 PM

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"He just sat there complaining saying the SAME OLD tired old crap that you hear from everyone else all over the goddamn place. there was NO original theory or suggestion from this guy."

to be honest I was kind of thinking the same thing but granted it was a pretty lackluster 13 minute interview, I won't hate on the guy until I know more of what he's done

11/15/2009 7:59:42 PM

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"He just sat there complaining"

Irony! I mean, you're complaining because he didn't answer YOUR questions, he only answered the interviewer's.

11/15/2009 8:03:33 PM

The interviewer needs to be a hotter chick, have some decent makeup on, and be topless for me to listen. Should have done this in Russia...

11/15/2009 8:19:48 PM

OK, I like to think that you guys can validate this by much of my rhetoric on this board, but I sway back and forth from left to right on several issues.

That said, I am terribly annoyed typically by "political music". For me, music has a purpose, and it's not to impose any agenda. However, I've always liked Immortal Technique, primarily, because I tend to agree with a lot of what he says. In my most honest opinion, he's a lot more checked in his facts AND opinions than say, Zack de La Rocha ever was. ZDLR was practically a whiny bastard, if you ask me.

I only watched the first 4:06 of the interview, and uhh, I'd say everything he said was dead on. The reasons behind invading Iraq DID change with the weather. Anyone who followed the whole sequence of events following 9/11 closely can vouch for that--even righties who aren't in denial. He also made a great point that we DO pick and choose which oppressive regimes we tumble, and furthermore, that there truly ought to be some sort of system in place--a threshold, if you will--for WHEN we send our American troops into battle, and how many. He's simply saying it should be, at this point, a lot better thought out, and consistent across the board.

Nothing he says in the first 4:06 can really be denied, at all.

That said, I am far too disenfranchised with politics, and their inherent commentators to watch the rest of the interview, whether I agree with him for the full 13 minutes, or if he completely loses me at 4:07.

and hey, you prescriptionist hack right-wing blow-hard: it's not his job to come up with a fucking litmus test. His entire point is that there OUGHT to be one, and the people making decisions to put 100,000 Americans at risk ought to have one by now.


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11/15/2009 8:48:07 PM

yeah, he does seem to be well educated and quite smart for a rapper...

11/15/2009 8:51:44 PM

Who?

11/15/2009 8:54:12 PM

haha zach de la rocha, I wonder what that guy is doing these days, I never really expected that guy to really know much anyway, it's a lot better to spout politics in a rap song than heavy metal at least, rocha never really said much besides a couple of angry phrases

11/15/2009 9:39:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dcV7HVnRU8

11/15/2009 10:20:38 PM

FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME

waaaahhh

11/15/2009 10:42:06 PM

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"The reasons behind invading Iraq DID change with the weather. Anyone who followed the whole sequence of events following 9/11 closely can vouch for that--even righties who aren't in denial. He also made a great point that we DO pick and choose which oppressive regimes we tumble, and furthermore, that there truly ought to be some sort of system in place--a threshold, if you will--for WHEN we send our American troops into battle, and how many. He's simply saying it should be, at this point, a lot better thought out, and consistent across the board."

oh wow... these are such original thoughts

he clearly deserves discussion for regurgitating every goddamn leftist talking point posted to dailykos.

bump this thread when he says something helpful beyond what's already been said eleventybillion times.

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"you prescriptionist hack right-wing blow-hard: it's not his job to come up with a fucking litmus test."

Yea, if he's going to put himself out there on the public stage and talk about this - then I would hope that he had something new to contribute. Otherwise, if he's just going to parrot everybody else, what value does he offer? none. so sit his ass down and stfu until he has something to contribute


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11/15/2009 10:45:26 PM

RAWR FUCK DEAD PREZ, THIS RAPPER OFFERS SOLUTIONS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYNbftFa-8

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11/15/2009 10:57:28 PM

lulz

big one

seems to me he was posing the question. I doubt he has a solution, other than imploring Congress, et al, to come up with something, because, well, they're supposed to.

calm down, fella.

and let's face it. both sides are beating their proverbial dead horses in sordid attempts to get people like me and you at each other's throats.

like I've said 1000 times, I don't put any stock--morally or intellectually--in any politician.

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11/15/2009 10:58:45 PM

well it just gets old after a while... and when i see jonny-come-lately here spouting off the shit we went over 5 damn years ago... its like, seriously? get a clue... find some new talking points.

11/15/2009 11:40:33 PM

it's fairly safe to say that interviewers don't venture too far out of the box, either.

11/15/2009 11:48:20 PM

well of course not. why would they rock the boat - he's nailing all the talking points they want to hear.

11/15/2009 11:48:57 PM

ENTARDTAINMENT

again, I've tried to steer clear of politainment for about 3 years now.

11/15/2009 11:50:23 PM

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"[Mos Def - talking] Man, you hear this bullshit they be talkin' Every day, man It's like these motherfuckers is just like professional liars YouknowwhatI'msayin? It's wild Listen [Hook - Mos Def] Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects It was you, nigga Tell the truth, nigga (Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss] Tell the truth, nigga (Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss] Tell the truth, nigga Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects It was you, nigga Tell the truth, nigga (Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss] Tell the truth, nigga (Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss] [Verse 1 - Immortal Technique] I pledge no allegiance, nigga fuck the president's speeches I'm baptized by America and covered in leeches The dirty water that bleaches your soul and your facial features Drownin' you in propaganda that they spit through the speakers And if you speak about the evil that the government does The Patriot Act'll track you to the type of your blood They try to frame you, and say you was tryna sell drugs And throw a federal indictment on niggaz to show you love This shit is run by fake Christians, fake politicians Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in All they talk about is terrorism on television They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface [Hook] [Verse 2 - Immortal Technique] They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong? Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily And poor people never get shit and struggle daily This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal (I don't rap for dead presidents I'd rather see the president dead It's never been said but I set precedents)--[Eminem] [Hook] (Shady Records was 80 seconds away from the towers Some cowards fucked with the wrong building, they meant to hit ours)-- [Eminem]"

11/16/2009 12:13:19 AM

bttt

I WANNA GO HOME

11/16/2009 3:55:33 PM

For as much shit as IT talks about the US, I'm pretty sure he's glad his family moved here from Peru when he was little

11/16/2009 4:07:42 PM

I dunno, have you seen the women over there?

got damn.

11/16/2009 4:08:31 PM

be careful what you wish for cuz you just might get it

11/16/2009 4:08:52 PM

^^yeah but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Peru

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"It has been estimated that nearly 70,000 people died in the internal conflict in Peru that started in 1980"

Just like while plenty of rappers speak highly of Marcus Garvey, I have yet to see any of them go back to Africa for more than a vacation / trip.

11/16/2009 4:17:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oAJj5WcoSE

somebody embed this shit i want to give dip shit republicans high blood pressure

11/16/2009 4:40:21 PM

TT, your arguments aren't really relevant and don't make any sense. I'm sure he was happy he didn't grow up in Peru. So what? Many blacks, and people of other races respected Marcus Garvey. What's really your point?

11/16/2009 4:41:59 PM

I thought this was in Ninja Gaiden . . .

11/16/2009 4:42:49 PM

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"For as much shit as IT talks about the US, I'm pretty sure he's glad his family moved here from Peru when he was little"

hmm yes moving from oppressed to oppressor confers benefits who would have thought

11/16/2009 4:43:19 PM

My point is a lot of people want to say how upset they are with the US, as if its the worst country to live in

I don't see those people packing up and moving to other countries

I like Immortal Technique. I just don't see how the point I'm making is at all complicated or wrong

11/16/2009 4:43:45 PM

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"My point is a lot of people want to say how upset they are with the US, as if its the worst country to live in"

except nobody says it sucks to live here you fucking dummy

11/16/2009 4:46:00 PM

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"My point is a lot of people want to say how upset they are with the US, as if its the worst country I don't see those people packing up and moving to other countries"

So you're basically saying that if you had a point at all, your point is invalid. I didn't hear him once say that the US was the worst country, or speak "as if" it is the worst country. If he thought the US was the worst country in the world, and said so, he probably would have left, just as you say. You aren't making any sense.

11/16/2009 4:47:28 PM

part of the reason why it rocks to live here so much is because of the shitty things our country does

not sure why criticizing those things somehow becomes "it sucks to live here" to you

11/16/2009 4:48:13 PM

I'm not basing it off what he said in the interview, I'm basing it off what he has said on tracks

But what do I know about what various rappers have said in songs, I clearly don't listen to any rap...

11/16/2009 4:48:41 PM

*rapper criticizes america*

RAPPER LIVE IN AMERICA

*thinks he's making a point. is tree twista*

11/16/2009 4:52:39 PM

I've been buying dude's albums and listening to him flow since 2001 and I've seen him in concert, clearly I have no fucking clue about anything he has ever said on wax

11/16/2009 4:54:35 PM

you're surely the only one

11/16/2009 4:56:51 PM

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"it's 2009 and the only other decent shit out this year was mos def"

lol

11/16/2009 5:07:01 PM

I've also been listening to him and have seen him live! It doesn't make either of our arguments any better, and you still aren't really making any sense in this thread.

11/16/2009 5:07:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqh2D_XXG6Y&feature=PlayList&p=E25CC2CE26957E69&index=5

whoever said that hasn't heard lushlife

11/16/2009 5:16:48 PM