http://www.naacpimageawards.net/41/home/



Where is the one for white people? You know, the "Multi-Cultural" Awards show, from a Caucasian point of view?

You know that if there was a White Awards that was a "multi-cultural" event, there would be outrage from the fucking hypocrites, that is the NAACP. Just like how it would be racist if there was a white only scholarship, but it's not racist to have black only, or Native American, scholarships.

Such bullshit.

2/28/2010 2:26:50 PM

yawn

2/28/2010 2:27:44 PM

they have minority scholarships at primarily black colleges that go to white and asian students

2/28/2010 2:27:53 PM

Wow, never heard that argument before.

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:28 PM. Reason : not ^, the OP]

2/28/2010 2:28:11 PM

cool story, brother

2/28/2010 2:28:18 PM

^^^ But why have "primarily" black schools to begin with?

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:28 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2010 2:28:45 PM

because black people had to establish schools for themselves

when racist-ass white people wouldn't let them in the existing schools

2/28/2010 2:29:38 PM

Wow, never heard that argument before.

2/28/2010 2:31:17 PM

^^ But is it a problem any more? No, it's not. Predominantly black schools have outlived their purpose. Now, all they do is exist to perpetuate any further racism in our society. The NAACP also does this as well.

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ^ Penis.]

2/28/2010 2:33:20 PM

If you think racism isn't still a problem, you're not paying attention.

2/28/2010 2:35:03 PM

It seems to me that the entire point of his thread was to point out that racism is still a problem...

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:36 PM. Reason : Just in a different sense]

2/28/2010 2:36:10 PM

If you think racism isn't still a problem, you're not paying attention.

2/28/2010 2:37:24 PM

It's "historically black". Not "black".
We have historically black schools and churches, etc.
Similarly, culture (music, literature, diet, etc.) is not "black" or "white".
We should refer to "historically black music", not "black music".
The very thing these groups are currently doing, (acting like race intrinsically means something) is 100% racist.

United Negro College Fund? Association for the Advancement of Colored People?
Fucking crazy. I agree with the original poster completely.

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"If you think racism isn't still a problem, you're not paying attention."

If you think BET, the NAACP, etc aren't a huge and unnecessary source of the problem of racism, you're not paying attention.

2/28/2010 2:37:51 PM

And why isn't there White Entertainment Television?

2/28/2010 2:38:29 PM

white people of american never were enslaved and or had their whole country taken away and their people slaughtered and rounded up like cattle like the blacks and native americans

yes i dont like many of the double standards but what you said was just plain dumb
the fact is that african americans and native americans were put into a hole and to get out of it they require some special programs but i will agree they take it too far sometimes

2/28/2010 2:39:58 PM

But didn't you know that BET exists solely to destroy black people?

2/28/2010 2:40:42 PM

The fact that people feel the need to have these things exist shows that they still feel the presence of racism in their lives.

2/28/2010 2:41:00 PM

petejames figured out what I was saying. Racism is still a problem in the US, but not for the same reasons they were 50+ years ago. We don't have segregation in schools, bathrooms, the workplace, ect. Any US citizen is allowed to vote, regardless of race and gender. Are there still racist people? Yeah. I don't mind if the NAACP or any other human or civil rights group exists to fight against racist people. But I see some of these groups as perpetuating the very same racism that they are supposedly fighting against.

You realize that public schools used to have quotas to meet for black people? They weren't merely accepted based on merit, but on the color of their skin, even if it meant that a more qualified student was rejected. Fortunately, quotas were found unconstitutional.

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2010 2:41:53 PM

^5
I believe its called NBC

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2010 2:42:00 PM

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"We don't have segregation in schools, bathrooms, the workplace, ect."

just because it is no longer de jure does not mean that there is no more segregation.

2/28/2010 2:44:14 PM

merbig i used to think like you until i realized one thing

imagine two people were in a race to fill a giant bucket with sand,
person A took person B's bucket and hid it while he filled up his bucket,
now when the judge found this out does he just return the bucket and just resume the race as usual

hell no, person B is already disadvantaged therefore requires extra time to make up for lost time

2/28/2010 2:44:55 PM

and yet, the Africans' who enslaved & sold their own never get any blame. It's never the white Europeans' fault, who bought the slaves and sold them at market. It's not any other race or group of people who bought, sold, traded, and used slaves fault. It's only the white Americans' who bought slaves fault.

^because real life is comparable to a race of filling buckets with sand

2/28/2010 2:45:40 PM

Outstanding Actress in a Motion Picture

* Anika Noni Rose – "The Princess and the Frog" (Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures)
* Gabourey Sidibe – "Precious: Based on the Novel "Push" by Sapphire" (Lionsgate)
* Sandra Bullock – "The Blind Side" (Warner Bros. Pictures)
* Sophie Okonedo – "Skin" (Jour De Fete Films)
* Taraji P. Henson – "Tyler Perry's I Can Do Bad All By Myself" (Lionsgate)

Hmmmmm....

2/28/2010 2:46:23 PM

stupid fucking thread

2/28/2010 2:47:05 PM

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"but i will agree they take it too far sometimes"

Right. Their methods are counter-productive. They're out-of-date.


As far as I'm concerned, many supposed anti-racists seem to believe that race intrinsically determines culture -- which is a 100% racist notion. Sure, some culture may be predominately practiced by people of one race or another, but that only means that the culture is "historically" of that race. It is not intrinsically of that race. We are asked to learn about and appreciate "black culture" or "black music" or "black literature", but these very things don't actually exist -- that is racist to suggest that. We can learn about and appreciate all cultures, and peoples from all racial backgrounds, without having to suggest that they're intrinsically linked.

2/28/2010 2:48:08 PM

^^^ Or maybe they want an upper advantage?

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"white people of american never were enslaved and or had their whole country taken away and their people slaughtered and rounded up like cattle like the blacks and native americans"

Giving help to a race just because their distant ancestors were slaves is a pretty bad reason to keep perpetuating racism in the US.

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"yes i dont like many of the double standards but what you said was just plain dumb the fact is that african americans and native americans were put into a hole and to get out of it they require some special programs but i will agree they take it too far sometimes"

You agree with me that you don't like double standards, and yet you say that what I said was "just plain dumb." Wow dude. You're either trolling, an idiot, or both. Your entire attitude is the reason why these groups perpetuate racism in the US. If you think giving them a double standard equals it out, then when does it stop? When will it flip into the other direction? You're talking about going down a slippery slope in going back and forth as to who gets a double standard, and who does not. If these groups want to battle racism that still exists, I am fine with that. But things like Affirmative Action have done nothing to battle racism, but only to help keep it around.

2/28/2010 2:50:11 PM

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM. Reason : wtf?]

2/28/2010 2:50:37 PM

this is a new thread with new ideas that is completely new to tww

2/28/2010 2:53:59 PM

^
AND NO ONE'S EVER SAID THAT, EITHER...

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"just because it is no longer de jure does not mean that there is no more segregation"

People segregate themselves by culture. Many culture are predominately one race or another, because of our history. You can't look at a group that happens to be all of one race, and assume 100% of the time that they segregated themselves based on skin color. Thus, many alleged instances of racial segregation are merely instances of cultural segregation of a culture that happens to [still] be predominately one skin color.

2/28/2010 2:55:07 PM

quit falling into this faggot's trap please

2/28/2010 2:57:31 PM

Quote :

"imagine two people were in a race to fill a giant bucket with sand, person A took person B's bucket and hid it while he filled up his bucket, now when the judge found this out does he just return the bucket and just resume the race as usual hell no, person B is already disadvantaged therefore requires extra time to make up for lost time"

This example does not cover what happened and what is currently happening. First of all, this "bucket hiding" took place over 150 years ago. They are not "behind," and you can't even prove that they are "behind." This isn't a fucking game and it's not a race for anything. Your problem is that you still see the world as being divided into race and that we compete against each other. However, your attitude implies that you want everyone to come in as a tie. On the other hand, I do not see people as being divided up. As soon as you start treating people as being divided up, you run into the bullshit that is happening now, and you perpetuate racism.

To me, it sounds like you're saying that in order to fix racism that happened 150ish years ago, we have to implement racism in the opposite direction. Sorry, but that is stupid. Basically, you're promoting the idea of an eye for an eye, and as you know, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Dropping racist policies and racism in groups is what will fix the current situation. If they want to fight racism that exists by some white people, that's fine. That's what many of these groups originally existed to do.

2/28/2010 2:59:10 PM

Quote :

"To me, it sounds like you're saying that in order to fix racism that happened 150ish years ago"

Really? 150 years ago? What planet are you living on?

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM. Reason : if you are racist, i will attack you with the north]

2/28/2010 3:00:30 PM

^ I was referring to slavery. That is what his argument seemed to be mainly focussed on. Not so much the era of segregation.

2/28/2010 3:01:55 PM

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"You agree with me that you don't like double standards, and yet you say that what I said was "just plain dumb.""

wrong again idiot, this is what i said

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"i dont like [b]many[b] of the double standards"

like i said before they take it too far in some cases but to say the whole idea of targeting all programs specifically for minorities who were severely hampered by past actions is dumb

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"Your problem is that you still see the world as being divided into race"

you notice my example did not mention race

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2010 3:02:54 PM

Quote :

"Your problem is that you still see the world as being divided into race and that we compete against each other"

My point exactly. Anti-racists turn out to be racists themselves.

You can't end racism by supporting racism.

2/28/2010 3:03:41 PM

my problem with what you said is you took something you dont like, like BET or this award and tried to make an argument for abolishing all programs that help disadvantaged african americans
stop making overly general statments

2/28/2010 3:06:24 PM

^^ So you support fighting past racism, with racism? I'm glad you admit to being racist. I know you think that you're improving the US, but you are not. If anything, it is preventing us from moving on for our past actions. Perpetuating racism does not help our society improve. It just holds us back.

And while your "example" did not mention race, we are talking about race, and your example is clearly about race and the past actions taken by white people. If it's not, then your example is not relevant to this conversation.

2/28/2010 3:07:53 PM

I was wondering when this thread would be made again...

I guess it IS the last day of February

2/28/2010 3:09:15 PM

^^^
Again, this idea of "disadvantaged african americans" does nothing to help anything. We have "disadvantaged" white people. There will always be inequalities in our society. But trying to give a race an upper hand does not do anything to improve our society as a whole. How you cannot see this is astonishing. You really are racist.

And yes, I think programs that give a race an advantage should be gotten rid of. I am not against any laws that forbid racism in government jobs, or groups that fight racism in private companies. What I am against are things like Affirmative Action, and "quotas." Did you ever stop to think why quotas for public school admission was found unconstitutional? I doubt you did.

^ Hmmm. I finally figured out some of the comments regarding the time of the month. I actually forgot that it was Black History Month (*gasp* I'm racist).

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2010 3:13:23 PM

^^^yes lets pick up our buckets and resume the race
unless this is a communist country then as far as making money then it is a race

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2010 3:14:09 PM

Am I to assume that those that have pointed out that this discussion has already taken place, are suggesting that it shouldn't or needn't take place?

2/28/2010 3:14:24 PM

LOL @ the belief that slavery is a 150 year old problem

2/28/2010 3:15:29 PM

^^^^as i clearly stated i support some programs whereas some are not helpful, i made that perfectly clear
you are against all programs


and good job at calling me a racist, people like you who try to label anyone with a different opinion destroy any possibility of having any useful discussion
notice how i could have called you a racist for even suggesting of taking away what few programs african americans have

i think perhaps you're just mad that theres a non white president but i'll eleborate one why this is unrelated to african americans

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 3:18 PM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2010 3:16:01 PM

Quote :

"^^^yes lets pick up our buckets and resume the race unless this is a communist country then as far as making money then it is a race"

I guess all the rich black people who you see at the NAACP award shows need that extra shovel of sand into their bucket. And the rich black CEOs, and all the black people I see at NCSU and other colleges, who are receiving the same education as I am, and when they graduate, will have the same opportunities available to them as the white people who have the same degree as they do (and perhaps even more opportunities). The fact that you use the existence of poor black people as a way of justifying racist advantages is pretty dumb. What about poor white people? What about giving them an extra shovel or two? What makes them so different from poor black people? The color of their skin?

2/28/2010 3:20:05 PM

^you are truly moronic, at no point did i justify some programs that help african americans solely by their race, the whole idea of these programs is to help people who were severly disadvantaged by past actions
it doesnt matter what their skin color is
for example i dont think what african americans get should be extended to native africans or mexicans

if there was a history of irish slavery then i'd support some programs to help them out of their situation

you are the only one who keeps trying to make it a race thing and not a situational thing

2/28/2010 3:23:42 PM

^^^ I called you racist because YOU ARE. Do you believe in programs that give black people an advantage over white people? From what I've read from you, the answer is yes. So, you believe in giving people an advantage based on the color of their skin. And if you give one race an advantage, then naturally you're giving a disadvantage to another race. This is racist. In what way is what you're saying NOT racist? Just because you wish for your idea on "fixing" past racism to not be racist, doesn't make it so.

If you want to fix racism, you get rid of it. Government sponsored racism isn't the way to do it.

Perhaps you should brush up on the meaning of racism? From the sound of it, you're perfectly fine with being racist. If that's fine with you, then there's nothing for you to get upset about. You just don't like having your idea labeled with something that has a negative connotation.

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"i think perhaps you're just mad that theres a non white president but i'll eleborate one why this is unrelated to african americans"

Nice try at an ad hominem attack. But for your information, I voted for Barack Obama.

Quote :

"^you are truly moronic, at no point did i justify some programs that help african americans solely by their race, the whole idea of these programs is to help people who were severly disadvantaged by past actions"

So now you're saying that we should have programs that only help poor black people? Now you're discriminating on wealth and race. You do realize that there will always be poor black people, just as there will always be poor white people? The current programs are here to put white people at a disadvantage. Where and WHEN does it fucking stop? How much of a disadvantage should one get? You're punishing white people who HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO! You're NOT fixing past problems. You're a fucking moron if you think you are. You're only CREATING more problems and more inequality in our society.

How you don't understand this, is astonishing.

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"if there was a history of irish slavery then i'd support some programs to help them out of their situation"

And I'm saying they shouldn't be helped. But your idea of "help" is much different from my idea of help. You would give them an advantage. This notion of fixing past inequalities by creating current inequalities for the other group does nothing but create resentment and perpetuate racism within the society. On the other hand, I would fix the issue by granting them the same rights as anyone else, including making discrimination in employment in government jobs illegal, as well as pressuring other companies and businesses to drop any racism.

Government sponsored racism is never the answer to anything. It does not FIX anything. You seem to have this notion that the poor black people are poor because of past racism. But this is a fallacy. We have many white people who, according to you, had an advantage for hundreds of years, yet they're poor as well. According to you, how long should this government sponsored racism be in place for? When there is an equal proportion of poor black people to poor white people?

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"you are the only one who keeps trying to make it a race thing and not a situational thing"

You haven't been reading what I'm saying. Government sponsored discrimination IS NEVER THE SOLUTION!

2/28/2010 3:41:56 PM

i can only read so much dumb before my brain melts but let me clue you on something

just ask yourself why do the rich get richer and the poor get poorer all over the world.
Its the dynamics of most economies that gives great advantage to those who already have money and resources to be able to get more, so in some sense it is a race
if left alone, soon the riches will monopolize everything and the poor will be completely powerless short of revolution
and most who are severely disadvantaged in the past are still disadvantaged today and if the government and its people want to correct past wrong doings then they should make some effort to give them a better chance at succeeding

the fact is that you dont want to realize that many whites and the government are in a better situation and blacks in a much worse situation due directly to slavery and segregation.
you just wanna say to the black, thanks for the head start now lets just be equal,

and i'll speak on their behalf and say, Fuck You, pay me!

2/28/2010 3:54:50 PM

Quote :

"i can only read so much dumb before my brain melts but let me clue you on something"

You say this because you're starting to come around, but your tiny brain isn't quite ready.

Quote :

"just ask yourself why do the rich get richer and the poor get poorer all over the world. Its the dynamics of most economies that gives great advantage to those who already have money and resources to be able to get more, so in some sense it is a race if left alone, soon the riches will monopolize everything and the poor will be completely powerless short of revolution"

This is nothing new to me, and it is irrelevant in this conversation.

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"and most who are severely disadvantaged in the past are still disadvantaged today and if the government and its people want to correct past wrong doings then they should make some effort to give them a better chance at succeeding"

What evidence do you have that they're "severely disadvantaged" today? Because there are poor black people? The government should not being giving them a better chance at succeeding than anyone else's chance. Again, this is government sponsored racism, supported by people like yourself to make yourselves feel better about the past. I don't know about you, but I never suppressed any group of people, nor have my parents. So why do I have to pay a price for what my past did? Not only that, the majority of black people who are taking advantage of these government policies were never suppressed. At the same time, I do feel that there is more that we can do to make things equal, but we should not be giving anyone an advantage.

Whether you realize it or not, you have fallen victim to argumentum ad misericordiam. The people who support such government discrimination use any pity or guilt that you might have for their past disadvantages in order to convince you to give them an advantage now. While our public schools are still not equal on a financial level, this is not exclusive to just black people, but rather, to poor people, regardless of race. But black people have the same advantages/disadvantages as any one else in the same financial situation as they are. They do not need, nor deserve, an advantage. Nobody deserves an advantage/disadvantage, especially when it's based on something as trivial as race.

You've also tried affirming the consequent, another logical fallacy. You've tried using the established fact that black people were a victim of slavery and segregation which resulted in an economic disadvantage. And since we have poor black people, that means that slavery and segregation are the cause of them being poor, and as such, we need to fix it by giving them an advantage. However, roughly 75% of black people are above the poverty line.
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/

Yes, it's less than that of white people. But you seem to be arguing that past disadvantages is a major factor. However, I never said that past disadvantages aren't a factor, but there is no proof that it is a major factor. You just believe it to be a major factor. Look at other races. Hispanics have roughly the same percentage of poor people. Many of them come from disadvantaged backgrounds. It's not fair that their country of origin is poor and that we, the US, doesn't give them more money. And I agree with you that they shouldn't get an advantage. But the fact of the matter is that not everyone comes from great background, regardless of race. Their cause of their disadvantaged background isn't as important as you make it out to be. And I'm not saying the government shouldn't provide assistance to poor people. But one race should not be getting more help than another one.

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"the fact is that you dont want to realize that many whites and the government are in a better situation and blacks in a much worse situation due directly to slavery and segregation."

Again, this is a perfect example of you using argumentum ad misericordiam and affirming the consequent. Did/does slavery and segregation play a role in their background? Yes. But is it a direct cause? I doubt you could prove it. What about the 75 percent of black people that aren't poor? Most of them arguably had the same disadvantages as the 25 percent people that are poor.

The fact of the matter is that by removing many of the policies that holds a group down, they are able to make a comeback financially without the need of unfair advantages over another group. If you give them the same opportunities as anyone else, there's no reason for anyone to do bad. Just because you're raised in poverty, it doesn't make it impossible to get out of it. It's not an excuse for you being in poverty. Do you have more work to do? Yeah. But this is true regardless of race.

the fact is that you dont want to realize that many whites and the government are in a better situation and blacks in a much worse situation due directly to slavery and segregation.
you just wanna say to the black, thanks for the head start now lets just be equal,

and i'll speak on their behalf and say, Fuck You, pay me![/quote]

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2010 4:30:40 PM

haha look at these noobs go

2/28/2010 4:31:25 PM

words

2/28/2010 4:32:10 PM