THIS THREAD IS FULL OF COMPLEX SHIT THAT WILL MELT YOUR FACE OFF. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE HAVING YOUR FACE MELTED OFF THEN YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE. THE THREAD MAY NOT GO FAR, BUT I HAD TO POST IT SON.




1) Represents Hiroshima/Nagasaki sized warhead

2) Represents Castle Bravo sized warhead



Approximately Hiroshima/Nagasaki sized warheads (11kt, 15kt and 30kt):









Castle Bravo sized warheads (15Mt and 11Mt Viewed from what is likely 20+ miles):







Redwing Mohawk (I love this image, 360kt, nice and close):





Nagasaki/Hiroshima were mere hand grenades compared to many modern nuclear warheads (It seems like we like variable yield shit these days, but plenty are in the 500kt-1Mt range when turned to the maximum setting). You don't really want to make a 1Mt warhead angry at you son, I can tell you that right now.

Is there something wrong with me for loving these devices? I mean, I'm EXTREMELY disappointed that atmospheric testing was ended and that I won't ever see one get set off in peacetime now.

4/11/2010 11:09:16 PM

k

4/11/2010 11:17:24 PM

Quote :

"Is there something wrong with me for loving these devices? I mean, I'm EXTREMELY disappointed that atmospheric testing was ended and that I won't ever see one get set off in peacetime now."

Give North Korea or Iran a couple of years.

4/11/2010 11:18:39 PM

IN PEACETIME SON.


But yeah, we might see one in a bad way son. That's not as enjoyable son.

4/11/2010 11:19:23 PM

Like I said...

4/11/2010 11:19:54 PM

I'm not going to be in either country son, so I can't see a peaceful detonation son.

The key is me watching it son.

4/11/2010 11:21:03 PM

oh, people will be sayin PEACE when one of these shits gets set off, son

4/11/2010 11:21:22 PM

^^ i see now. well, now you have a reason to defect.

4/11/2010 11:22:07 PM

it's cool. actually worked out well for us geology types....releasing a bunch of 14C labeled material at known periods of time...

although we geologists will be good for another 50-100yrs before we need the level artificially jacked up again and in the meantime it would be great if we could keep it to a minimum.

4/11/2010 11:23:03 PM

I LIKE NUKES SON.









I like the jellyfish son:

4/11/2010 11:27:00 PM

that lil jellyfish one is soooo cute!

4/11/2010 11:29:26 PM

the title of this thread reminds me of...


THE SOFTER SIDE OF

4/11/2010 11:29:50 PM

^^ I know it son, I love dat jellyfish.


The second image I posted there is the bomb an infinitesimal amount of time after detonation on top of a shot tower. If you look you can actually see the lines holding the tower up vaporizing out in front of the fireball, they look like spikes coming out of the ball of death. Those are called "rope tricks" apparently.

4/11/2010 11:30:04 PM

4/11/2010 11:32:05 PM

look like scrubbin bubbles to me

4/11/2010 11:32:36 PM

Yeah, those too son. But I prefer jellyfish son.

4/11/2010 11:33:16 PM

when we were in mexico taking a water sample this little jelly that came up to us was pulsing - makes me imagine the cloud going in and out

[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2010 11:34:23 PM

^ Nice son!

Nukes and jellyfish for life son!


I LOVE NUCLEAR ARTILLERY SHELLS SON!





Another angle on the nuclear artillery shell son:

4/11/2010 11:40:59 PM

A++ thread would read again.

4/12/2010 1:44:40 AM

30 megatons

4/12/2010 1:53:17 AM

http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/nucwar.htm

4/12/2010 2:05:52 AM

TSAR BOMBA LAUGHS AT YOUR PUNY 15MT

4/12/2010 2:06:04 AM

A++ tread

4/12/2010 8:00:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV83U4CDAx4&feature=fvst

surprised pilgrimshoes hasn't posted this first.

4/12/2010 10:45:34 AM

Good thread, son.

4/12/2010 11:19:59 AM

Insane power. Gotta love it.

4/12/2010 11:21:08 AM

Insane power. Gotta love it.

Jesus christ at the Tsar Bomb.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfoQsZa8F1c

[Edited on April 12, 2010 at 11:34 AM. Reason : omg]

4/12/2010 11:26:38 AM

The one they actually tested was watered down. The one used in war would have been around 100Mt.

4/12/2010 12:37:04 PM

4/12/2010 12:39:00 PM

Tzar Bomba reminds me of

4/12/2010 12:42:17 PM

The Tsar Bomba was supposedly capable of 100Mt, mind you. But it was not a design that could be deployed. Our 15Mt designs were turned into deployable munitions.

The main reason I chose not to include it though was due to lack of good photos. None of the photos of the Tsar put it in perspective. Redwing Mohawk is, to me, the most frightening photo of all of them because you're nice and close to it and you can expect a string of like 8 of those from the multiple re-entry vehicles on board many ICBM's. Here's an actual test of the re-entry vehicles. Imagine seeing these streaks followed by 8 Redwing Mohawk sized air bursts on the horizon. You'd be fucked in due time son. Fucked in due time.

4/12/2010 2:58:57 PM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114728/

highly recommended

4/14/2010 5:54:47 PM

If detonated at maximum theoretical yield, that Tsar explosion would burn everything in a 120 mile radius. That's all of the Triangle. Not just radiation burns, not just fallout, but fiery hell on earth...for the lucky ones.

The Tsar bomb was dropped from an aircraft. I don't know how much more deploy-able you can get than that. They just attached a parachute to it to give the plane enough time to escape the kill zone. In total war they'd forgo the parachute.

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 6:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2010 6:09:17 PM

lol at thread title

4/14/2010 6:13:42 PM

Quote :

"The Tsar bomb was dropped from an aircraft. I don't know how much more deploy-able you can get than that. They just attached a parachute to it to give the plane enough time to escape the kill zone. In total war they'd forgo the parachute."

"The Soviet Union had only one delivery system capable of carrying a weapon of this size - a handful of the relatively slow prop-driven Tu-95 bomber - and it was incapable of intercontinental range with a payload this large."

Again, not deployable. Ours were much more realistic from a strategic usage standpoint and were actually designed to be deployable, not just as showpieces (Hell, castle Bravo was an accident, it was a test of the shrimp device which yielded like 3.5x what they estimated, they only wanted 3-4Mt). Also, a string of 500kt-1Mt warheads will honestly do as much or more than a single 50Mt from a strategic standpoint from my understanding. Those huge warheads were just showpieces, which is understandable because they loved to have the biggest, baddest whatever on the block, even if it wasn't particularly useful.

4/14/2010 6:15:42 PM

Oh, I see. Well, save it for London then.

4/14/2010 6:17:15 PM

Yeah, if you read up on it you'll see it was more of a political statement than anything else. It was possible that it could have hit European targets, but most people seem to agree that it was never actually turned into an operational weapon. The shrimp device used in Castle Bravo actually became an operational weapon in the Mk-21 nuclear bomb.

Quote :

"A test device, even one that is air-dropped like a operational weapon, is not suitable for normal military stockpiling (although it could be employed as a weapon in an emergency). Entry into a nation's weapon stockpile requires considerable engineering effort and planning to ensure a satisfactory stockpile lifetime, provision for required maintenance, a variety of safety and security mechanisms, development of suitable delivery techniques and equipment for combat use, development and approval of operational doctrine, institution of a suitable training program, development of a list of suitable targets and operational plans, etc., etc. Given the overtly political nature of the development and test of this device, the dubious military usefulness of a weapon of this size, and the extremely compressed development effort, it is not a foregone conclusion that this device would ever be manufactured in quantity or accepted into the stockpile of the Soviet Union. The question thus arises: "Was it ever really a weapon?" ......... Lev Feoktistov, bomb designer at the competing weapons laboratory Chelyabinsk-70, in recent remarks has also denied that this bomb was ever weaponized, saying that the "100-megaton giant - the pride of Arzamas-16 - was made only once - for the test". [Feoktistov 1999]. Given the lack of any plausible military role for the 100 Mt device (and professional militaries everywhere are loathe to take ownership of a weapon they consider useless), and the authority of Smirnov and Adamsky, supported by Feoktistov, the most likely conclusion is that this device was never weaponized and stockpiled, at least in the full yield form. The 50 Mt clean version would have been a plausible weapon though, since it could be delivered by Tu-95 in Europe, and the reduced yield and the relative lack of fallout would have made it much easier to find targets in Europe where it could be used without devastating effects on the Warsaw Pact itself. Another Russian publication ([Spassky 2000], p. 389) asserts that tests of a version with a maximum yield of 50 Mt were carried out over Novaya Zemlya in 1963 at half-yield, and that a Tu-95 variant was created to carry it. This model, the Tu-95-202, carried the bomb exteranlly, suspended under the fuselage. The test referred to in this last source was actually conducted on 12 December 1962, with a yield of 24.2 Mt and has been confirmed in other sources as being a 50 Mt design. Whether it should be considered a weaponized version of Big Ivan is debatable. Since it was scaled down in maximum yield it was likely reduced in size and weight as well to make it more easily deployable, and really a different but related design."

4/14/2010 6:22:46 PM

FUSION!!!!!rAAAWWWWrrrr

4/14/2010 6:33:21 PM

If a single Castle Bravo sized warhead were dropped on DC, you'd see this kind of fallout. The lines indicate the total cumulative dose in Roentgens over a 96 hour period following the blast.




Here is the actual radiation map, notice the islands on which many native people received radiation burns.

4/14/2010 6:37:34 PM

http://kuroiso.org/

4/14/2010 7:31:29 PM

For those of you with Netflix instant watch you can queue up Atomic Cafe. Great movie about all the tests and madness living in the atomic age brought.

4/14/2010 7:54:04 PM

4/14/2010 7:57:39 PM

If you feel like watching the 93 minute "Trinity and Beyond" documentary, check it out.

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/YoYIBs8Q928/

4/14/2010 8:21:25 PM

What the fuck do you mean "if you feel" like watching it? Shit is mandatory son, do the knowledge son.

4/14/2010 8:22:01 PM

This is a program that predicts and gives estimations if an asteriod or comet were to hit the earth. Interesting shit that kinda related to this thread http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/

4/14/2010 8:52:30 PM

made me think of you

4/21/2010 11:47:17 AM

Haha, thanks hon!

4/21/2010 12:08:39 PM

the TU-95's range is more than sufficient to bomb the triangle from Russia (Range: 15,000 km (8,100 nmi, 9,400 mi) unrefueled) as russia is only 4392 miles away (one city in russia, military bases probably closer)

4/21/2010 12:08:58 PM

[SIGH]

Yay, you can read wikipedia.

Quote :

"and it was incapable of intercontinental range with a payload this large."

They only had a "handful" at that point in time.

Also, it's HIGHLY unlikely this "handful" of large, relatively slow bombers would make it that far through our defenses even if they could make it that far with that payload, and they couldn't.

So, sure, if your statistics are based off of a full bomb load then it could bomb the Triangle if it encountered zero defense mechanisms and had a normal payload. It was certainly not going to be bringing a Tsar Bomba here though. The Tsar was simply a publicity stunt, that's it. It was never a useful weapon from a strategic or tactical warfare point of view, especially at the time it was tested, due to various advances in technology. It was useful only as a political statement.

Those ranges are most likely based on ideal conditions and ideal is pretty much never the case. The larger the payload, the higher the fuel burn as well. There are a lot of factors involved, but the end result is that it was not going to be bombing the US with a Tsar Bomba.

4/21/2010 12:11:53 PM

set em up

4/21/2010 3:06:29 PM