There's a big hullabaloo at my office right now because one of the new employees is refusing to get blood work done as part of his annual physical.

Why are some people against getting their blood work done? Personally if I were him I'd like to know if being a fattie has done him in with all the burgers he eats on a regular basis

4/26/2010 5:38:30 AM

as a general rule, people are dumb

4/26/2010 6:08:24 AM

This is very true.

4/26/2010 6:23:59 AM

Does the company have access to the results of his physical?

He may not be against having blood work done in general, but he may have a problem with the company having immediate knowledge of the results. I can think of a number of situations where an employee may wish to keep a medical condition private or at least have control over its disclosure. For example, I wouldn't want my boss knowing that I have cancer before I have made treatment decisions and told my family.

4/26/2010 7:06:36 AM

Yeah, our boss has access to the information but unfortunately that's the way it works in this country and we sign a contract saying we know that's how it works. If that's the guy's beef he should have either not taken the job or read his contract.

4/26/2010 7:41:15 AM

[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 7:53 AM. Reason : some religions forbid it [House MD told me so]]

[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 7:53 AM. Reason : bloodwork, not bathing]

[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 7:53 AM. Reason : though there's probably a few that forbid that too]

4/26/2010 7:51:56 AM

I, for one, am opposed to companies knowing anything about your physical health or whether or not you choose to use drugs on your own time. It is disgusting to me that companies have many of these practices. If you aren't performing up to par or you are coming to work intoxicated, then perhaps a drug test is in order, but random drug testing is absolutely ridiculous.


There are, of course, a number of exceptions to this. For instance, as a pilot, I think it makes sense that you have to go through FAA medicals and that your employer should have access to these records and should be able to drug test you. It is my personal belief that pilots should not be drinking alcohol either though, rather than just not being allowed to do illegal drugs (Especially when some of the illegal ones are significantly less harmful, don't destroy your judgment and are less dangerous than alcohol). You aren't allowed to fly intoxicated obviously and you aren't supposed to fly for a certain number of hours after your last drink, but I've seen pilots on here actually brag about "doing approaches with a hangover". I find that disgusting and dangerous, as you have a serious responsibility in an aircraft. You can kill other people when you fuck up (Innocent bystanders on the ground, people in other aircraft, people in your aircraft). Also, when working in medical fields and perhaps in schools, disclosure of your medical conditions as well as drug testing is clearly appropriate.


However, if you work in an office environment and nobody is putting their life in your hands then there is absolutely no reason why your employer should need your medical records UNLESS something happens that prompts inquiry IMO. It can cause the individuals (At the company you work for) who see your medical record to discriminate against you or think poorly of you because of the medications you're on, for example. When employers and other individuals are granted unnecessary access to records it can easily cause a patient to withhold critical information from their doctor. The patient may lie about things or misrepresent things. This can lead to misdiagnosis or can lead the doctor to think that certain tests don't need to be performed because there is no history of [whatever]. It is honestly dangerous to the patient to have such information given to employers needlessly. I would say that perhaps there are exceptions to this as well, but in general I am opposed to having anyone see medical records unnecessarily.

4/26/2010 8:08:53 AM

Funnily enough drug testing is not one of the tests they perform.

4/26/2010 8:15:49 AM

Well that's good at least.

So, what is the reasoning they give for wanting to get your medical records and know about your physical state? I mean, I don't know anything about your job, so I'm not assuming anything one way or the other.

4/26/2010 8:17:05 AM

Basically we're teachers so they want to make sure we're not spreading diseases and are generally healthy and not going to drop dead tomorrow and leave them in a lurch

4/26/2010 8:20:50 AM

Ok, so it's not unusual for teachers to be subjected to testing/vaccination for the sake of public health. That makes sense. Before I could student teach or substitute teach, I had to have health forms completed showing that I was free and clear of TB etc.

4/26/2010 8:25:53 AM

Yeah that definitely makes sense IMO. For one thing, you can't be giving children diseases! Plus, they need to make sure you're properly vaccinated, so the children don't give you diseases that you then spread around.

4/26/2010 8:28:09 AM

^^Yeah different country, different system. He should have read his contract imo.

[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 8:28 AM. Reason : e]

4/26/2010 8:28:27 AM

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"You aren't allowed to fly intoxicated obviously and you aren't supposed to fly for a certain number of hours after your last drink, but I've seen pilots on here actually brag about "doing approaches with a hangover". You can kill other people when you fuck up (Innocent bystanders on the ground, people in other aircraft, people in your aircraft)"

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As you can in a car. Should you be allowed to drive during a hangover? What about when fatigued? There are studies that show that flying with fatigue correlate with BAC levels that would be considered under the influence and airline pilots are pressured into flying fatigued every day in this country. Slippery slope fallacy, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

For the record/as a disclaimer, I don't get hangovers and I have never broken my former company's 13 hour rule, much less the FAA's 8 hour rule.

And who was bragging about that, out of curiosity?

4/26/2010 8:56:08 AM

I, for one, am opposed to companies knowing anything about your physical health or whether or not you choose to use drugs on your own time, son. It is disgusting to me that companies have many of these practices, son. If you aren't performing up to par or you are coming to work intoxicated, then perhaps a drug test is in order, but random drug testing is absolutely ridiculous, son.


There are, of course, a number of exceptions to this, son. For instance, as a pilot, I think it makes sense that you have to go through FAA medicals and that your employer should have access to these records and should be able to drug test you, son. It is my personal belief that pilots should not be drinking alcohol either though, rather than just not being allowed to do illegal drugs (Especially when some of the illegal ones are significantly less harmful, don't destroy your judgment and are less dangerous than alcohol), son. You aren't allowed to fly intoxicated obviously and you aren't supposed to fly for a certain number of hours after your last drink, but I've seen pilots on here actually brag about "doing approaches with a hangover", son. I find that disgusting and dangerous, as you have a serious responsibility in an aircraft, son. You can kill other people when you fuck up (Innocent bystanders on the ground, people in other aircraft, people in your aircraft), son. Also, when working in medical fields and perhaps in schools, disclosure of your medical conditions as well as drug testing is clearly appropriate, son.

4/26/2010 8:56:56 AM

^^

Quote :

"Shot ILS and GPS approaches all afternoon with a hangover."

- Mr. Joshua



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Quote :

"As you can in a car. Should you be allowed to drive during a hangover? What about when fatigued? There are studies that show that flying with fatigue correlate with BAC levels that would be considered under the influence and airline pilots are pressured into flying fatigued every day in this country. Slippery slope fallacy, do not pass go, do not collect $200. For the record/as a disclaimer, I don't get hangovers and I have never broken my former company's 13 hour rule, much less the FAA's 8 hour rule."

I'm not sure what your point is, I'm just talking about my personal thoughts on the matter as I clearly pointed out. It had nothing to do with reality, rather it is what I see as the ideal situation. I never said that it didn't apply to cars, did I? I don't even see where I implied it. Personally, I think alcohol should be illegal and marijuana should be legal. I put alcohol up there with harder drugs like opiates and cocaine.

4/26/2010 9:01:53 AM

I don't think that's necessarily bragging, but I also would bet that he was not the only certified person on that aircraft at the time. Which is more than one can say about someone driving with a hangover. Compound that with my opinion that your hangover argument is ridiculous in the first place.


Yeah, well in an ideal world no one would be allowed to listen to the radio when driving. Risk management, son.

[Edited on April 26, 2010 at 9:09 AM. Reason : .]

4/26/2010 9:05:22 AM

Well, he had a license at the time and he didn't seem to indicate that he was getting training. See this:

Quote :

"My biggest regret about initially learning to fly is that I operated out of a small airport and avoided larger ones. By the time I was licensed I was unprepared to deal with the radio work at big airports. The worst is forgetting to switch frequencies and having the ATC tell you "[facepalm]...this is still the tower. departure is....." Oh yeah, and I saw Michael Jordan's plane. Gulfstream with a Carolina blue stripe down the fuselage and up the tail with the Air Jordan silhouette on it. Here's a picture from online:"

He was PIC at the time, dicksmoke.


Also, I simply think you're not going to be as functional or focused when hungover. That's a fact. What you're babbling about is a bunch of shit I never said. I didn't say flying when fatigued was good. I didn't say driving when hungover was good. You're an idiot son, sorry to say.

Quote :

"Yeah, well in an ideal world no one would allowed to listen to the radio when driving. Risk management, son."

If you're saying hearing things is distracting then how do you fly and use the radio at the same time? You get exactly what I was saying and you're just being a little bitch about it because you realize you put a bunch of words in my mouth.

4/26/2010 9:07:57 AM

invite your coworker to a cheeseburger picnic

4/26/2010 9:09:18 AM

man, i hope i never have cause to be as prickly as some of you paranoid asshats

4/26/2010 9:09:45 AM

I can't be against it, I am a type I diabetic. I get it done every 3 months.

4/26/2010 9:15:41 AM

Quote :

"He was PIC at the time, dicksmoke."

Really? I never saw the part where he said he wasn't under the hood with an instructor?

Ok, now I think you'z just trolling me. I just read some bewilderingly stupid shit. Also, I'm arguing with this:



Joke's on me, I guess.

4/26/2010 9:18:12 AM

SaabTurbo shaves like a man

4/26/2010 1:18:28 PM

i like to work with blood

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4/26/2010 1:20:06 PM

I just had my first appt w/ an internist two weeks ago, and his nurse was trying to tell me that he didn't do blood work for a new patient. That blood work would be taken at my first physical AFTER being an established patient. WAT?!

I demanded blood work. Shit's important--esp w/ my hypothyroidism.

4/26/2010 1:21:25 PM

I do actually shave with knives son. No shaving cream, just straight knife the shit off.


My knives are all shaving sharp, particularly that Bowie knife and my Paramilitary. Those knives shave like chainsaws.

4/26/2010 1:21:26 PM

I pass out whenever I get blood drawn, but it is still necessary. Usually when i have my physical every year I just make sure they lay me down before they draw my blood, which tends to keep me from passing out.

4/26/2010 1:22:35 PM